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I suppose, is it difficult, do you think, for the police to tell the difference between a protester and a journalist these days? when everyone has cameras, everybody has phones, it's difficult to tell who is a journalist who is not? all they have to do is ask. which they didn't do, you say? is that right? they didn't. right, 0k. you know, let me bring in someone who actually takes part in this kind of protest. cameron ford is from insulate britain. let me just play you a clip you might have already heard of him on talk radio with mike graham from last year. what you do for living, cameron? i'm...

To what they are doing. i suppose, is it difficult, do you think, for the police to tell the difference between a protester and a journalist these days? when everyone has cameras, everybody has phones, it's difficult to tell who is a journalist who is not? all they have to do is ask. which they didn't do, you say? is that right? they didn't. right, 0k. you know, let me bring in someone who actually takes part in this kind of protest. cameron ford is from insulate britain. let me just play you a clip you might have already heard of him on talk radio with mike graham from last year. what you do ...

The tournament starts. majorsponsor, budweiser, had a multi—million—dollar deal with the organiser, fifa, to sell its products at all venues. now on bbc news. the media show hello. how should journalists cover climate protests? the climate conference cop, 27, ended this week, but you might have seen more about the activists who threw oil on a gustav klimt painting in vienna, or the protesters who brought the m25 to a standstill in an era of apparently increasing direct action. what's the media's role? and by giving the latest stunt publicity, is it fanning the flames? i'm joined by cameron...

About about our planet changing with the climate so rapidly. and they have children and loved ones. and i know that even though their their whole angle is to anger, they're also human beings who have got complex emotions around this really tricky situation we find ourselves in. and genuinely, i want to open that up with them. well, i've got wolfgang blough in the studio here, as i said. cameron's talk radio interview went viral and now that clip has an advert on it, which presumably makes money. is the current vogue wolfgang for direct action actually good good business for the media industry ...

Well, you can. you can grow all sorts of things you. well, you can't grow concrete. you can. see you, cameron. cheerio. well, that is the interview. but after the broadcast, it got many millions of views on social media and continues to. cameron, when you hear that again, what do you think? oh, what a shame that that we have to endure such idiocy in our media spaces. i mean, it really is. it's crazy. he still has a platform. really? is that how you see it? i mean, do you think despite, you know, the way the interview went, would that be counted as ultimately a successful media appearance for y...