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Meeting about adoption. >> in the campaign context, if you get a random tip about possible opposition research, you send a loyal, trusted, third tier staffer. you don't get the troika who is about the takeover the campaign and tooting the brother-in-law and the son. and detailed dealings with the russians via the ukraine. this is all a terrible story because it lines up with the narrative, reenforces the narrative, rooted in reality that this campaign had inappropriate contact repeatedly with the russians. >> the real problem is the change in the story, not just because it points to potential ...

No, she will not speak about them publicly and this will be kept behind closed doors. would you expect anything different not only from any adviser to the president and one that's the president's daughter, no less. >> i wouldn't expect something different, but i also recognize that it's not about qualifications and the qualifications is they're the least likely people to talk to the fbi. >> kailey, thoughts? >> look, i'm excited and happy that ivanka has the ear of the president and i think she's a highly qualified woman and i like that she highlights women issues and she was integral in the f...

Case the white house's attempt to manage the media narrative around this completely backfired. it was done in a really ham handed way. >> that's the problem the white house may have got themselves here. >> it's not unusual for national security officials to reach out to news organizations to talk about stories and steer them on what they see is the right path. this was not a national security story. this was a political story and that's the difficulty and the issue we're talking about right now. i think you're right. the reality is as helene suggests, we're at the beginning of a long road of a...

Case the white house's attempt to manage the media narrative around this completely backfired. it was done in a really ham handed way. >> that's the problem the white house may have got themselves here. >> it's not unusual for national security officials to reach out to news organizations to talk about stories and steer them on what they see is the right path. this was not a national security stoehr. this was a political story and that's the difficulty and the issue we're talking about right now. i think you're right. the reality is as helene suggests, we're at the beginning of a long road of ...

This is a news story. that's the difficulty. i think you're right. i think the reality is we're at the beginning of a long road about what russia did or didn't do in 2016 in the campaign context. >> the other thing i would add, you know, is the conclusions could be entirely different things here. these stories have been dancing around. was there a quid pro quo between the trump campaign and russia. trump won't say anything negative about vladimir putin, his hiring of paul manafort. it could be that trump actually in the back of his head has done what similar presidents have done, which is he w...