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And don't you think it would be fair, whether you think he's concluded or not, that mueller finally be asked, show us what you got? put up or shut up? >> he's never denied us that access. i want concludes, he puts out the report, and we see what he has. i've always seen this a false argument, the idea that he's not showing us what he has. it's not over. >> it's over enough. >> what does that mean, "over enough"? >> how much longer are you going to let him do it. >> he just put out that your campaign chairman was playing with the russians! >> but we don't -- that isn't -- we don't know a specia...

A conclusion. and don't you think it would be fair, whether you think he's concluded or not, that mueller finally be asked, show us what you got? put up or shut up? >> he's never denied us that access. i want concludes, he puts out the report, and we see what he has. i've always seen this a false argument, the idea that he's not showing us what he has. it's not over. >> it's over enough. >> what does that mean, "over enough"? >> how much longer are you going to let him do it. >> he just put out that your campaign chairman was playing with the russians! >> but we don't -- that isn't -- we don't...

So welcome back. as we mentioned earlier, president trump's personal attorney rudy giuliani told cnn tonight that he never said there was no collusion between the trump campaign and russia. he also took time as he usually does to attack robert mueller. when he was asked about recent news on the russia investigation, there was this. >> he just put out that your campaign chairman was playing with the russians. >> but we don't -- that isn't what he's -- we don't need a special counsel to investigate a campaign chairman. we have him because the president of the united states is involved. >> you do...

Campaign guy. >> i think it's the most inappropriate investigation i've ever seen conducted on an ethical level that's disgusting. >> i just wish you all could have seen mimi rocah's face while giuliani was talking. with us to talk about all of it mimi rocah here in new york, former assistant u.s. attorney for the southern district of new york, now a distinguished fellow in criminal justice at the pace university school of law. and we're also joined by another friend of ours, former u.s. attorney joyce vance, who spent 25 years as a federal prosecutor. joyce, it's no fair that you're remote an...

>> you do when the president of the united states seems to be -- >> so let him -- >> -- a little hyperactive about the probe and it may not be fair and the guy who's at the head of the a.g. at the time is his campaign guy. >> i think it's the most inappropriate investigation i've ever seen conducted on an ethical level that's disgusting. >> i just wish you all could have seen mimi rocah's face while giuliani was talking. with us to talk about all of it mimi rocah here in new york, former assistant u.s. attorney for the southern district of new york, now a distinguished fellow in criminal justi...