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Send her back! send her back! send her back! send her back! send her back! >> now it's important to remember that this hateful rhetoric is literally a campaign ploy. it began on a campaign stop in 2015. it's continued through his presidency, and he is using it again as he seeks reelection. anti-muslim rhetoric is a key part of donald trump's strategy to win in 2020. joining me now are two people with significant experience covering israel and the rest of the middle east. a journalist and foreign policy analyst who grew up in east jerusalem. ayman mohyeldin, who has reported on the middle east ...

Remember that this hateful rhetoric is literally a campaign ploy. it began on a campaign stop in 2015. it's continued through his presidency, and he is using it again as he seeks reelection. anti-muslim rhetoric is a key part of donald trump's strategy to win in 2020. joining me now are two people with significant experience covering israel and the rest of the middle east. a journalist and foreign policy analyst who grew up in east jerusalem. ayman mohyeldin, who has reported on the middle east extensively before becoming the co-host of "morning joe" right here on msnbc every morning. thank yo...

Of sense if i were a prosecutor to be all over that, but i'm not a prosecutor. i could just pretend to play one and suggest what prosecutors should try to do. >> but do we have any sense of how he made his money, how much remains, and frankly, where it is now? >> you know, i think this is all a big cover story. he was a con man. i think i believe personally in my opinion he was a blackmailer. i think he had information on all of these people. he provided, quote, unquote services to these people. him, he had nothing to do with him providing financial services or trading or any of that. i think ...

It's not historically significant. we can look at it as a photo opportunity in a campaign year. and just about everything that the president does is focused on this one particular objective, and that is to get re-elected. i don't think that we're going to see any -- not even minor positive results from this engagement, so you can look at this as a campaign ploy and you can actually see that in how the president comports himself. >> sue, one last question on that front, what colonel jack was talking about. does that then really hurt the efforts or help the efforts of the lower-level individuals...

>> i think it was hugely significant. it was significant not just for the president and the two nations, but it was significant to the world that the president is willing to talk -- talk, not war with north korea is a good thing. the fact that he went to south korea first reassures our allies that he's not going to sell them out. the fact that he says we've got to keep talking, that we're in no rush, but we want to get things done. this is a nation that we've been struggling with since, really, since the korean war. and starting with maybe george bush sr. trying to come up with treaties that t...