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Jared is his son-in-law. he trusts him. he is family. he is 35 years old. he has never been in politics. he has never done anything that resembles the west wing of the white house. he trusts him and he is family. he has to know this young man doesn't have the portfolio to go against bannon or any of the other political guys. >> you are poking me. also under estimating kushner. when we needed to raise money outside of the traditional core establishment, jared knows how do that. >> i'm sure that is a lot of rich people. >> that's $61 per donation during the campaign setting up the apparatus to a...

Between jared kushner and steve bannon, jared kushner had the inside track by virtue of the fact he's family, he's married to donald trump's daughter. steve bannon has a lot of levers to pull. >> reporter: he does. the key difference here is that steve bannon was extremely effective in a campaign setting. as the totem of breitbart. as the person who was the spokesman for the anti-establishment movement. now he's part of a different type of machine. he's in the white house. and there are a lot of different forces going on. so in some ways the machinery he set up to get trump into the white hous...

So now he's trapped. he has his ideology, which you're right, he's been saying for months in fot years now that he doesn't want to go in. this isn't our problem. we have no interest in syria. on the other hand, he's confronted with the reality, so what is he going to do? i think this juxtaposition of what he says in a very dramatic, sort of campaign setting and then the reality of the pictures he sees, coupled with the absolute array of choices before him with no great option here -- no one is saying there's a fabulous option here -- is probably hitting home just about now even though he's at ...

As dishonest and dodgy and a lot dishonest depending on who you ask. a lot of people have figured this into their calculus. even the latest revelations are very bad in a normal campaign setting would be very problematic. i think in this campaign, you know what? she is dishonest. they are all crooks. this is sort of baked in the cake. >> to be clear, none of this has anything to do with hillary clinton in a sense. a state department official discussing declassifying an e-mail with someone at fbi of t t t the. she wasn't involved. she was already gone. it had to do with her e-mails. >> right. he...

Clinton campaign encouraged brine pagliano to testify freely. i want to encourage you to step back and see this in broader terms. with bryan pagliano pleading the fifth, the story of mrs. clinton and her server takes on another feature of the e-mail scandal, the low level pepper who served in the campaign whose mean nothing to the general pub luck and who if presented with some form of immunity could conceivably be flipped to testify about the higher ups who he interacted. when you marry that to tend pg court cases and the fbi investigation and the more e-mails, checked just about every box fo...