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Detectors and make sure they didn't have weapons on them. i get the point they are trying to make. maybe check to see if the secret service did look at meetings. but the whole campaign was heavily guarded. i don't think it was any malice or trying to misrepresent or unfair intent with that answer. >> all right. i do want to, you know, talk to you about why donald trump jr.'s account of the 2016 meeting keeps changing. >> yeah. >> because that's confusing, isn't it? why not reveal everything? and then you don't start having these sorts of problems. >> look, i've always said this. it is really h...

Much sounds like don junior got on the phone with one of the people at the center of this. and certainly that con tabtact d have continued. from goldstone, the eccentric producer at the center of this, there's a reference to president trump's personal assistant. that is to say the only avenue was not through don junior and through the formal campaign structure, there could certainly be other inroads that were pursued in the context of this operation. but if we assume for a moment that this was a russian intelligence operation, and it certainly looks to me like it was one, the only question tha...

Cognizant of that as we -- in terms of how the president -- the kind of rhetoric he yous in this situation. >> and returning to the russia investigation, there is a lot of loose talk about who was at that meeting, we didn't know initially all of the players. but just the fact that we had during the campaign a meeting with a russian lawyer and a russian former counterintelligence official who are so closely connected to vladimir putin's agenda, which is basically repealing those magnitsky sanctions, what alarm bells should have gone off within the campaign structure? >> russian intelligence is ...

Upon physical security. it has nothing to do with screening against intelligence community databases or anything like that. >> safe to say it's not part of the secret service's job to stop a candidate or president from doing anything potentially illegal? >> well, first of all, there was nothing that was illegal that was going on at the time that the service would have known about. for the president's lawyer, is conflating the protective methodology of the secret service with really counter party diligence from a campaign standpoint. two separate and distinct responsibilities. >> was there anyt...

At trump towers. and his role in the campaign was limited to sort of a mi militaristic ideal with paul manafort. any questions? >> militaristic campaign structure is not how people have described the trump campaign structure, especially early on. part of this donald trump jr. meeting was they didn't know what they were doing. was this a sophisticated operation when you were there? was this people who knew what they were getting into, as far as you knew? >> when donald trump was talking about running for president told me he was going to do it totally differently. i could go into chapter and ve...