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His daughter and son-in-law would be international celebrities. kellyanne conway would be a cable news star. melania trump who had been assured by her husband that he wouldn't become president could return to inconspicuously lunching, losing would work out for everybody. losing was winning. the white house, of course, call the book trashy tabloid fiction. and the first lady's communications director denying that he did not think that her husband would win. who do you believe, josh? >> i certainly believe that most of the people in the trump campaign thought that trump was going to lose that el...

He doesn't really care any more, does he? because it's almost the end of it. >> no. he's in the fourth quarter. he's feeling -- he's feeling very good about things. like georgia said earlier in your program, he's -- you know, he's probably going to miss this. he's probably going to miss being at the center of the limelight. he hasn't always enjoyed everything that comes with being president of the united states, but clearly he's relishing this opportunity to be out there and hitting republicans. his point isn't necessarily wrong. for all the bluster coming out of the republican candidates rega...

He can govern as pro-life or pro-choice guy. who knows? >> ted kennedy said i'm pro-choice, my opponent is multiple choice. >> to your -- the thing you are getting at a second ago is fundamental. the reason the president was ahead by five or six pointed in september he was doing -- you did a segment on the show at the time -- he was overperforming with white, blue collar women, waitress moms. >> according to the waitress moms as coined by ron brownstein. >> so the problem he's had since denver he's lost some of the advantage. so now you have a debate that is focused on women and it's focused o...

That'll destroy his presidency, it didn't. my advice to the romney campaign, we should write blogposts and say, hey, can you believe obama said that? the romney campaign needs to criticize president obama's policies and say what they would do instead. jon: so you're saying that they need to be more forward looking instead of looking in the rearview mirror every week? >> yes. i think if you look at the polls in detail, if you look at the inside, some of the questions, people aren't happy with the way the country is, but they're not similarly willing to say -- simply willing to say things are so...

You get to go home tonight. maybe. >> i hope so. >> thank you, kelly. all right. in iowa rick perry hitting the road today heading off on a bus tour through the state. no more debates for him. first stop of the day? cherokee, iowa. nbc news embed on the perry cane carrie dann is on the phone in a few minutes. she'll be hopping on the perry press bus to join the campaign's road trip. this is rick perry in his element, carrie dann what the perry campaign has been promising. just wait till he's on the trail. >> that's right, chuck. the big question now is whether it is too little too late for r...