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>> 20 possible candidates, right? >> you'll need it. >> exactly. these were huge reforms. tom perez, i condemned him for his leadership on this. there was obviously a lot of resistance. but this was a way to unify the party here and make it clear to all the democratic voters out there, even those who are not part of the democratic party but who were hoping to pull in, independents, college educated republican women, going into 2020 to say you know what, the party activists, the party stalwarts are not going to be the ones making this decision now. we know in 2016 superdelegates did not make th...

Message, takes it from party unity and it makes it a lot easier for democrats to make a case that this guy is unstable and republicans are getting anything done in washington. >> melissa: on the flip side of that because that is accurate but he was also battling steve bannon from the right and he was also battling people within his own party, and he has eliminated one of those threats. so as not like you're going to have steve bannon out there having something happen like what happened in alabama. >> i think that's right but you have to remember, these elections are going to come down to two n...

She's led all along is small. impossible, no? but it's still a very small chance he could flip all of those states in less than a week. >> i tell you what, i'm all about momentum. and right now -- >> to your point the electoral college map, north carolina, wisconsin, colorado -- >> let me put it this way. if i'm choosing between candidate a and candidate b, structurally i rather be candidate a which hillary clinton is. candidate b, if i have the momentum and i'm chasing somebody and it's bad story after bad story after bad story because we've seen structurally how things have changed so quickl...

States is a horse race right now. and we already had -- for example in arizona again, they learned this week that their obamacare premiums are going to go up 116%. and in pennsylvania, 53%. >> all right. >> north carolina, 40%. and now you have this new fbi allegation on -- when the trust factor for hillary clinton is already -- >> let me bring this up because i have a short amount of time but i want to get your point. when you have donald trump, your candidate b at one point yesterday praising the fbi as saying this move on their part proves that the system isn't rigged because we know we've ...

So i think voters, when they look at a candidate b, they look at them wholistically, not just to what people in the media are saying. right now, the african-american male is hurting under the obama administration. when they look to trump, they see hope, they see economic hope in their future. i think he could do well among black voters if he's the nominee. >> and bob kusack, maybe it's the lights in the studio, but it makes you look skeptical. are you skeptical? >> i think the demographics favor hillary clinton, who will likely be the democratic nominee. however, there will be a push for the n...