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Those voters can get an up close and personal look. we have candidate forums scheduled with media partners. there's one coming up on october 6th that all the candidates are participating in. the bottom line, we need to make sure that the candidates are not pulled off the campaign trail, you know, for, you know, 20-some odd debates like they were in 2008. that was too much. and we need a variety of opportunities for folks to get a look at our candidates. and they'll have that. again, it's unfortunate that congressman gabbard chose to focus on process rather than keeping the focus on the contras...

Debates yet. and there's criticism from two of your vice chairs that you are disadvantaging everyone but the presumed frontrunner, at least hillary clinton, by not agreeing to more democratic party sanction debates. >> well, you know, it's important that our candidates be seen in a wide variety of formats and venues. we have six debates and there will be many other opportunities for our candidates to be seen in candidate forums. and our initial focus in the early primary states is on making sure that the retail politics can really be robust. and every time a candidate has to engage and get rea...

Outlets. a lot of diversity, we are hosting six debates which is what we hosted in 2004 and 2008. a debate is not the only way in which you can reach a voter, in fact, it's really important as i started to say, that especially in the early primary states, the candidates have time to get out and campaign in a retail way. you can already see the enthusiasm that is building, bernie sanders has drawn huge crowds. >> and he wants more debates? >> there are a lot -- >> martin o'malley. >> we're glad that there's enthusiasm about debates, debates are not the only way to get your message out to voters...

Oh how i can do the job and why i can do the job. >> we're going to put up the college national polls that shows you were tied for 13. at 1.3%. and even campaigned in iowa and new hampshire, you had 2%. i think it's fair to say, you had stood out at candidate forums, various events before. but it hasn't translated into voter support, why is this going to be different? >> well i disagree with the premise of your question. i started my campaign on may 4th from a standing support. i'm not a professional politician. most people haven't heard my name. national polls tend to measure name i.d. so if ...

Happens, there will have been 28 candidate forums around the country for all these folks to talk to voters directly from cpac to the sirius xm. there are 25 of these from new hampshire, south carolina florida, where people have been able to sit down talk to the candidates directly one-on-one get tons of free media coverage. a lot of interaction with voters leading up to this first debate. >> for sure. these network debates do matter most. i wonder what you think of this. is it the party's fault that so many people are run? shouldn't the republican party have tried to manage or shape this race ...