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Decided to go big. martha: as the president says, we'll see what the american people think about that going big plan come november and that will be the multimat sort of reaction to what's happening here. a.b., always good to see you, thank you very much, have a good weekend. bin laden bill that stalemate over health care taking a toll on the president's image, check out this poll, 62 percent of americans think the president is better at campaigning, 17 percent think he's better at governing, 11 percent of those bowled -- polled say they think he's good at both martha: interesting numbers. we h...

How wide apart the two sides are. take it from another angle, what does it mean to democrats if they do not get health care through? >> well, this has been their signature issue, they've invested a lot of capital and time on it, and i think americans want health reform, i just think it's what kind of relt reform -- health reform do theyant and -- want and should they have. i think the american people win on that, because they were able to see in a public forum what our ideas are. in the past we had the bills written behind closed doors, we had three days to look at them and it was a yes or no,...

>> i think on the approach to health care, the gap cannot be closed, i don't think that having the secretary of health and human services take the control of health insurance from the 50 states and define and create and define what health insurance is for every american will bring down cost. i think that will mean a more expensive plan as the congressional budget office has evaluated, premiums will go up under the mandates that will come forward in a government -- a federal government-created health care plan. that's not going to help the american people. bill: it was a fascinating thing to wa...

The bill at hand. i mean, they can pretend -- they can say the congressional budget office says that it saves 150 billion over the long term, but the thing is, they're delaying all of the pain, all of the tax cutting, until 2018. they're putting it on another president and another congress. we know that in future years, no new congress and no new president is going to want to take on this cut in what we forecast to be be continued deficits and the painful fiscal times ahead. so it's interesting what john mccain is raising. if you look at the way the democrats are taking the jobs bill now, they...

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