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Before financial insecurity compromises national security. at what point -- i mean, people are expected to come in and do their jobs with the jutmost diligence, as the mayor has just said, but if you are stressed out because you can't put your bills, because you can't put food in the fridge for your kids. i wonder as a national security professional yourself, how do you do your job? >> well, it's going to have to come from your heart. and there's one thing that i think, and the mayor expressed it very well that we can do to help. and that point is, when you see those people who are at the tsa ...

I just get flustered talking about it because it's so crazy. this is a former u.s. attorney, former associate attorney general of the united states misstating facts and misstating law. nowhere in there is a denial of the allegations. frankly, what i find to be the most interesting line in the article, i'll read it to you, no evidence has emerged publicly that mr. trump was secretly in contact with or took direction from russian officials. ironically, i think that's the most incriminating line, that they use the word "publicly," because there's so much more evidence we're not aware about, that ...

Institution, democratic norms that are defended and if you have a legislative body that refuses to defend those norms, that's how you walk your way toward autocracy. when you look at the headlines from the washington post, the guardian about donald trump talking about using a national emergency to force money for a border wall, do you start to see this seeds of our democracy dying? >> i don't know about dying but i think we have a lot of evidence that our democracy is pretty darn dysfunctional at this point. we wrote the book when or began to write the book when donald trump emerged on the sce...

Provided support to them. from the fbi's point of view, the purpose of this investigation was to understood and thwart russian activity, it was not an investigation of the president. all of a sudden, the president of the united states swoops in, starts putting pressure on the fbi with respect to this investigation in the case of flynn, demanding things of it, and then turns around and fires the head of the agency. all of a sudden, the fbi is saying, whoa, is the president's activity in trying to shut down the investigation itself a national security threat to the extent that the investigation ...

And i think people think we're being hyperbolic when we say these things, but he's just taking liberty after liberty after liberty and anyone who's traveled knows where that ends. >> and the thing is, matt. and the reason why i really wanted to have you on this panel as well today, is that the way -- and we're going to talk to the opposite of how democracy is dilated, the way that autocracies usually work, is that there's a certain amount of pain inflicted on the people whoever the autocrat feels is the enemy. the enemies within the population. pain must be inflicted upon them, and no amount o...