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Special operators. we didn't necessarily have the kind of robust forces that now secretary of defense esper is talking about. the mechanized forces gives us the ability a much more lethal capability so that when our forces have to go, if they have to go in harm's way against isis, we now have the mechanized capability to back them up so isis cannot reconstitute and we can crash them. >> charles: we've been told this tentative arrangement with turkey would allow us to prevent isis from even reconstituting. does this acknowledge that there's still a degree or threat that maybe they could? >> i t...

Isis will take advantage in this maelstrom. and just one more point, president trump tweeted today that he will not allow a reconstituted isis to take control of oilfields. the objective should be to ensure that isis cannot reconstitute. not just over the oil. so i think that we are in some trouble. >> let me ask you about secretary of state mike pompeo. he sat down for an interview with a kansas newspaper and he was asked if russia was able to fill a power vacuum in syria that was left by the withdrawal of u.s. troops. here is what he said. i'm very familiar with this issue from my time in co...

We have taken isis, brought it down, been able to put it down to where it no longer has military capability to hold onto its caliphate territory. that is a positive development. we need to put in place as we withdraw our forces, ability of those who have fought isis, the kurds, syrian democratic forces and others, to make sure they have the intelligence, logistic support, training if necessary to make sure isis fighters cannot regenerate, cannot reconstitute as a fighter. if they suspect one village is taking over, to send a signal that this will not be allowed to happen. heather: what would t...

Do so, according to secretary gates, by the end of the year. we believe it's working, but right now, all we can point to is anecdotal evidence of that. we are confident by year's end, once the surge forces are all on the ground, we will be able to show convincing proof that this strategy is going to lead to an afghanistan that cannot reconstitute itself as a safe haven for terror. jenna: what does that concrete proof look like, what would define success for you? >> what we have said all along, it's a two-pronged strategy, first and foremost, we are trying to disrupt, dismantle and defeat al-qa...