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Cannot win. >> congressman walsh, what does this tell you about how things are going to be like in the house in the next two years in terms of just getting stuff done? >> yeah, that's why anderson, this may be a really boring take, but i don't think it really matters which republican ultimately becomes speaker. because the maga trumpist wing of this party, and it's no longer a wing, it is the party in the house, they're going to control the next two years no matter who the speaker is. they want to investigate hunter biden's laptop. they want dr. fauci's scalp. and it really doesn't matter who ...

And i don't think he will. >> abby, there's an nbc report saying the former president, former president trump, would not say if he's standing by his endorsement of mccarthy. i don't know that anybody should be surprised by that. but most of all kevin mccarthy. >> yeah, i don't think anybody's really surprised by it. this has been one of those interesting things. when i talk to republicans about this. trump is privately backing mccarthy. he's quietly backing mccarthy. but he's not using the full force of his bully pulpit to really twist the arms of a group that frankly loves him. i mean, these ...

But he's constantly doing democrats favors by picking these candidates who cannot win. >> i guess i think of it a different way. i think it as why can the republican party say goodbye? why can't republican party stand up to him, like liz cheney has done, like adam kinzinger has done, and a great political risk in her case, he he didn't run again, in her case, she got defeated. but they stood up to him. and i think more people are going to have to do. that and when more people actually do, they don't lose. but what has happened here is repeatedly they do not stand up to him. and look at what is...

I think it's positive for someone with a platform to encourage people to find someone more sensible than this. i encourage trump's base to listen to the voices. here's my message to help trump's legacy line up behind someone else. someone who's more sen trust, a rational republican, a common sense skeconservative, can win general election. someone as extreme as donald trump cannot win. >> he keeps losing. >> right. >> a loser in 2018 in mid tterm there and 2022. >> musk said that he was quote fine with trump not using the restored account. we have to remember it was shut

Contra candidates. but i think there's something in truth to that, because what we're saying before, that the ultimate leverage that he has to bomb self up, and take some of your chunk of your base to win elections. if you also have that leverage, invent some leverage for yourself. >> a paradox for republicans right now is donald trump cannot win, but they cannot win without donald trump. that actually is the paradox for ron desantis as well. how do you impress trump and trumpism without having him blow up the party and then create a new party that blows everything up. because he might very we...