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Mojave desert mainly in california. the main problem we have, ali, is transmission. and we need a smart grid in this country that can intelligent intelligently store energy at night and transmit it during the day. >> we want to go to more solar or wind. that's a big deal. nils, let me ask you, do we, can we go further? without expanding nuclear energy generation in this country? >> can we go further? no. nuclear generation needs to be part of this, makes means that it has no the 20% to 30% part. and you know, the numbers in economics we can have a long discussion about that. but the reality is...

Nuclear generation needs to be part of this mix and it needs to be at least in the 20% to 30% park. and you know, the numbers and economics we can have a long discussion about that. but the reality is plants operate at 90% capacity factor while solar is at the very most 20%, and wind is at the very most 30% to 35%. so they are intermittent, they come and go, we have to have other sources. we have to have storage, we have to have transmission. they're good. we like them. we want them to come, but we also need to have nuclear power to anchor the grid, to provide reliable electricity all the time...

Fukushima units were in early 1970s time frame, and many here as well, the design doesn't sit pat. there are many upgrades and improvements, both required by the nuclear regulatory commission and as implemented by the plant owners, to modify the design, to strengthen it it, to improve its safety and reliability, and so it doesn't resemble the same design that went in in 1970. >> a number of people that i've spoken to over the last few days have made the point these rrnls are performing in excess of 100% capacity. is that dangerous? >> no, sir, the capacity factor is a measure of how much power...

Sure they meet modern-day standards. bill: the reality of all of this is we need energy for our daily lives and that is the way we are built. you think about coal plant and the coal disaster. and, it is unfortunate, when miners go down there, and frankly risk their lives. >> no, the fundamental reason we have nuclear power is because it has proven to be safe in the u.s., over the last 30 years, and is highly reliable, and, 90% capacity factor and is a source of fuel that provides energy stability and energy security and those -- these things still remain. bill: linda, what about the point the ...