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>> it looks like they're going right for the capillary here. i'm afraid i'd have to agree with carl, this is certainly not central to anything. it is a sop to the trump camp. i'm very disappointed in senator graham. i testified before his subcommittee. senator graham was clear in his assurance to me personally and on the record that the judiciary committee was committed to protecting the mueller investigation and i'm sorry to see that they're engaging in this kind of partisan diversion. it's unfortunate. >> john dean, i mean, we talked about this briefly a little bit last night with you. the p...

Right for the capillary here. i'm afraid i'd have to agree with carl, this is certainly not central to anything. it is a sop to the trump camp. i'm very disappointed in senator graham. i testified before his subcommittee. senator graham was clear in his assurance to me personally and on the record that the judiciary committee was committed to protecting the mueller investigation and i'm sorry to see that they're engaging in this kind of partisan diversion. it's unfortunate. >> john dean, i mean, we talked about this briefly a little bit last night with you. the president reportedly called come...

Good manners. you know, it happens all through life, you show good manners and decen decency. one night people can be decent to each other. but look, the bottom line is no one's going to be tied up and dragged there who doesn't to want go there. >> and it's interesting you mentioned, and we played the clip from 2011, obviously donald trump, there being sort of pillary by president obama and the backdrop was that donald trump had been waging the birther campaign at that point saying hey this guy, this president wasn't born in this country. so barack obama got his revenge that night, seth myers ...

And you get pillary. >> it's a smart crowd that we attract after the debate, everybody weighing in and offering their opinions. i'd like to lock in exactly as i saw it. >> your first impression. >> before i hear any spin. for me, i thought kasich had a decent evening. i don't expect it was a breakout moment. carly fiorina, not so much. rubio, big night. carson, i thought down night. i didn't think he could compete on a granular basis and with rubio and cruz. trump, a down arrow. you're right. ted cruz, big night. jeb, we haven't discussioned jeb bush. i think jeb bush had his best performance ...

You guys should know that. >> john says, esther taught him a short life can be a good, meaningful life and he's right. >> reporter: it was short. esther died almost four years ago at 16. never seeing what she inspired this -- >> i fell in love with him the way you fall asleep. >> reporter: a movie her mom told us she would have loved this kid, this young woman who did not get to go past young. john donvan, abc news, washington. >> my daughter saw the movie this week. she said it was really, really powerful and intense and very sad. >> i'd love to see it. >> she actually had -- esther was diagn...