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Morning Joe Weekend

iranian government. the state department said president biden would raise the issue with the iraqi leader and of course we will be following this story. over one decade ago, american freelance journalist james foley was covering the civil war in syria when he was kidnapped by isis. he was held captive for two years and then executed by the terrorist group on camera. seven years later, his mother diane foley traveled to a virginia courthouse to speak with one of his captors and to find answers. she has a new book on those meetings and titled "american mother." and she joins us now. thank you for coming on the show this morning. let us know what you learned and some of those meetings. i know it is all in the book and it is a journey for you

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Morning Joe Weekend

possible. so many have been released. can you talk about how you did that? >> that is jim's legacy. it does give me joy in many ways. when jim was taken in 2012 through 2014, there was no u.s. hostage enterprise. there was no one to help me. that was part of the reason i was sent in circles and people didn't know. the government did not know what to do with me actually. and i was ignorant of our policy of nonengagement with captors. because obviously, if you don't engage at all, the captors will get rid of hostages and kill them and that is what happened with jim, kayla mueller in 2014. i was angry. i felt as a country we could do much better. thanks to many good people, we have.

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Morning Joe

terrorist group on camera in 2014. seven years later, his mother, diane foley, traveled to a virginia courthouse to speak with one of her son's imprisoned captors and to find answers. she has a new book on those meetings entitled "american mother," and she joins us now. we want to thank you very much for coming on the show this morning. let us know what you learned in some of those meetings. i know it is all in the book and it's a journey for you even after your son's death that is incredibly compelling. give us a sense of parts of that journey. >> i -- well, good morning to you both. it's good to be with you again. last time i saw you was shortly after jim was killed, so i thank you for your time. it was -- it was necessary to

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Dateline

believe they caught us. we marched back into that cage. >> that tiny, little cage? which must have felt like a tomb to you? >> we know we are going to die in that cage. >> but their captors were on edge. for a reason. this is nbc news footage of military exercises on the coast of basilan in september of 2011. about two months into gerfa's ordeal. the philippine military supported by american advisers, was launching an offensive against abu sayyaf, which in turn became so nervous, they decided to move kevin, gerfa and her cousin, out of that cage and into a windowless room in a farmhouse about a day's hike away. and then, one of them pulled gerfa from their cell. they were taking her away. >> and at that point it was like, oh my gosh, they're going to separate me for my son. >> they told her she would be back the next day. but she was convinced her time was up.

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i didn't know what to expect because of what they've been through. but they were just so grateful to be back with their family. >> in 2012, the philippine army caught three of gerfa and kevin's got kidnappers. they return to the philippines to testify at their trial and helped sent their captors to prison. kevin was honored for his bravery by the virginia general assembly and met president obama. then kevin went off to college, had an idea about joining the fbi one day. >> he was there, you know, as a boy. and now he came back as a man. you must be pretty proud of that boy? >> very proud. >> years that separate their ordeal from this evening on the beach with us have erased not a moment of the memory. the terror their shared. the pain, the desperation, sorrow. and finally, joy. but we look on and see a bond

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in the heart of the jungle. here with the conclusion of our story is keith morrison. >> for two days, one long night, kevin lunsmann could practically feel his captors breath on this back. their guns on his back. as he ran. somehow, eluded them. >> all my clothes were all covered in mud. black mud. everything, my hair was ruffled. i smelled terrible. i probably had over 100 or more lacerations. blood all over my arms as well. so i didn't look too good. >> and then he took that one necessary risk. emerged to a public road and -- there it was. the end. clearly, a local, on this abu sayyaf infested island. and he had a very big gun. >> i thought that that was -- it was all over. i had escaped and walk through all of that terrain and it was for nothing. they had found me and they were going to bring me back. >> but then the man spoke.

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>> i just said, don't move, son. well my entire body was frozen. >> and then the car passed and they kept walking. several hours later, they arrived at abu sayyaf's base camp. and this is where they were brought. to a cage in the jungle. not this cage, we actually built this one. but the exact specifications given to us by gerfa. five feet by five feet, some old broken boards for a floor. jungle stitch lashed together with mark. no roof, no protection from the elements. but a key gesture cure as any cage in any prison. there were guard tents on either side of the cage. and a sniper on the hill above, watching them. and right beside the cage, a seemingly bottomless cliff, planted with land mines, said their captors. i know you've been walking for about 36 hours or something. how did you feel? >> well, exhausted physically, spiritually, mentally. >> and then they present you

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CNN NewsNight With Abby Phillip

utah scene here rescuing 17-year-old why -- missing for three days, the chinese exchange student at trekked to this backcountry area, sleeping in this tent, running low on food. with him, several cell phones. that's a police say virtual captors manipulated and controlled the teen, likely from thousands of miles away. they call it cyber kidnapping. the cyber kidnappers convinced the kidnappers under duress to take photos of themselves to make it appear that they were being held captive, and send the photos to their parents. and china, their parents equally terrified, unable to reach their son, reportedly receiving threatening messages. they contacted a school in utah. >> there is a lot they secluded themselves and the woods aren't away from everybody in society is that they continue to explore as much money as possible. [speaking in a non-english language] >> reporter: in recent months, police across china warning chinese students in and out of china that the scammers often impersonate officials.

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Erin Burnett OutFront

captors manipulated and controlled the teen. likely from thousands of miles away. they call it cyber kidnapping. the cyber kidnappers convince the victim under duress to take photos of themselves that make it appear they are being held captive and send the photos to their parents. in china, his parents equally terrified unable to reach their son, reportedly receiving threatening messages and contacting his school in utah. >> the reason why they have him seclude himself from the woods or away from everybody in society is so they can continue to extort as much money as possible. >> in rercent months, police warning that the scammers often impersonate officials. they then deportation and harsh sentencing if they do not cooperate. police advising students if they get a call like that, hang up

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HARDtalk

see, your honesty through all of this is...is very striking because you basically talk about feelings of guilt and shame and you say that you plumbed the depths of your own cowardice. and you say that because of some of the things you said. yeah. some of the things that, frankly, you were forced, required to say by your captors on videotape. and bizarrely, one of your inquisitors who calls himself a journalist was actually a british citizen. yeah. who clearly has chosen to work inside russia. it clearly upsets you, some of the things you said, and indeed your guilty plea to notjust being a mercenary, which actually you weren't. yeah. because you'd chosen to make your life in ukraine and you signed up to

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