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Family and for their country, and you made it harder on our troops to win. so if that's not something worthy of prosecution, i don't know what would be. >> one of the things that came out of it, so set aside that it was leaked. one of the things that came out of it was that the pakistan military spy service is helping the afghan insurgency. this is a country and this is a government -- an arm of the pakistani government. >> it is, uh-huh. >> and we give them a billion dollars a year. and people are going, wait a second. they are training people to come fight us, and we're giving them money. >>...

Show that kandahar has changed. that we've got better governance and the taliban has been cleared and the city is on its road to recovery. >> when you look at afghanistan, we went in there to get al qaeda. now we're in there building governance, all that kind of stuff. is that the proper role? >> i think what we understand, afghanistan is one battle in a long series of battles. some of these battles are ideological where aid will turn the tide. sometimes you have to use military force. stabilizing afghanistan would be a monumental blow to al qaeda and to the extremists called the taliban. the ...

Difference. and when the taliban sees that they're not able now to just paint this as a foreign -- a lot of foreign troops present in afghanistan, but now it's their own afghan army, a popular, respected army, that they are taking on more and more during this next year, that that's going to be a difference. that is a real nightmare for the taliban to be up against an afghan-led effort. >> we may be reading different things, and you've been there and i want to ask you about your impressions from your latest visit there. but we read all the time that the afghan army, and in particular the police...

Basically defund this war. >> give me your best guess, how long will u.s. troops be in afghanistan. >> maybe the better question, and i don't mean to be presumptuous, how much longer will we suffer a lot of casualties. that's what people care about. we've been in korea since the end of the korean war. we've been in europe since world war ii and nobody cares. they do care when americans die. here's what awaits us. we're going to lose more troops in the foreseeable future. casualty rates will go up, the cost of the war is going to increase. it's going to get worse before it gets better. i hope b...

That we've got better governance and the taliban has been cleared and the city is on its road to recovery. >> when you look at afghanistan, we went in there to get al qaeda. now we're in there building governance, all that kind of stuff. is that the proper role? >> i think what we understand, afghanistan is one battle in a long series of battles. some of these battles are ideological where aid will turn the tied. sometimes you have to use military force. stabilizing afghanistan would be a monumental blow to al qaeda and to the extremists called the taliban. the war is not over. it's moving to ...