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Of the mueller investigation have to feel good about, what do they have to worry about at the end of this testimony? >> well, look, lawrence, if you like matthew whitaker, you're going to love will iam barr because of all the matters and question whether he would rely on the opinions of career attorneys at the justice department, he didn't give answers. skilled attorneys and he's a very skilled attorney, spend their entire career learning how not to answer questions. and answering questions in a manner that sounds sort of good but really isn't actually providing any meaningful information and ...

Because of all the matters and question whether he would rely on the opinions of career attorneys at the justice department, he didn't give answers. skilled attorneys and he's a very skilled attorney, spend their entire career learning how not to answer questions. and answering questions in a manner that sounds sort of good but really isn't actually providing any meaningful information and never said he would rely on the answers of the thoughts of career attorneys and never said he would commit to making the report public. this is a matter of enormous public interest and not making a commitmen...

Street and serving on the finance committee, for example. this is a big issue for bernie sanders. >> i love the swamp watch. it's not a matter of who's in the swamp it's a matter of how swampy they are. i love your ideas in the book. you mentioned being head of the department and benefiting from that after office. my question is, when you've had a career government, how do you suggest they go without mixing those. >> steve: he is not cashing in on your public service. >> i disagree. if you spent 20 years of your career learning about the environment and now you're supposed to leave and do some...

Street and serving on the finance committee, for example. this is a big issue for bernie sanders. >> i love the swamp watch. it's not a matter of who's in the swamp it's a matter of how swampy they are. i love your ideas in the book. you mentioned being head of the department and benefiting from that after office. my question is, when you've had a career government, how do you suggest they go without mixing those. >> steve: he is not cashing in on your public service. >> i disagree. if you spent 20 years of your career learning about the environment and now you're supposed to leave and do some...

Off the computer revolution. >> did you realize. the mid-70s. it wasn't called silicon valley then. g you have the start you had this extraordinary technology boom. >> andy's partner said every two years will cut in half the costs of computer or double the performance. it's extraordinary. it's been going on for 50 years now. it's a remarkable force. >> how did you get from there to then venture capitalists. >> i was at intel very happy pursuing my career learning from andy and others. and i got a phone call from a friend wo said there's this perkins buyers firm that wants to hire a young assoc...