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while the air force investigates the deadly crash of an eighth plane. one of these based in charlotte, north carolina. we expect to learn more in a news conference this afternoon. we know that four of the six crew members were killed, including this man, lieutenant colonel mike mckiel who spoke to one of our affiliates on saturday. lizzie o'leary with the latest out of washington. what's the latest? >> reporter: latest is that they are investigating the cause of this crash while the other c-130s are grounded, grounded by the air force right now, and that essentially really diminishes...

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>> the law is clear. it's called a penalty. >> the massive so-called tax increase they're talking about is the freeloader penalty. >> people who can buy health insurance should take responsibility to do so. >> i'm saying tks was set up as a penalty for people who chose not to buy insurance. >> it's a penalty. >> whatever you call it a mandate or a tax, it's a penalty. >> in case you missed it, it's a penalty and not a tax. that's what's being said, right? as for the republican side, any time is tax time. >> it's a tax increase. it's a massive tax increase on the middle class. >> that...

just straying from talking points that the mandate imposes a penalty, not a tax. >> the law is clear. it's called a penalty. >> the massive so-called tax increase is the freeloader penalty. >> people who can buy health insurance should take responsibility to do so. >> it's set up as a penalty for people who decide not to have insurance. >> it's a penalty. >> in case you missed it, it's a penalty and not a tax. that's what's being said, right? as for the republican side, any time is tax time. >> it's a tax increase. it's a massive tax increase on the middle class. >> that's florida se...

a penalty, not a tax. >> the law is clear. it's called a penalty. >> the massive so-called tax increase they're talking about is the freeloader penalty. >> people who can buy health insurance should take responsibility to do so. >> i'm saying tks was set up as a penalty for people who chose not to buy insurance. >> it's a penalty. >> whatever you call it a mandate or a tax, it's a penalty. >> in case you missed it, it's a penalty and not a tax. that's what's being said, right? as for the republican side, any time is tax time. >> it's a tax increase. it's a massive tax increase on the...