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And some people are saying that's backdrop from a trump and carson rise. anti-establishment fervor that has seized the grassroots. i wonder if you think donald trump and ben carson can take new hampshire, ohio and south carolina? >> there's a dirchs between picking up your phone and saying yes and attending a caucus. i think what we're going to look at is a very protracted primary on the republican side. certainly the establishment republicans don't seem to be planning to get out of the race anytime soon and rick santorum won the iowa caucuses last time. i don't know if the winner of the first...

True teller who can be offensive and rude. right. >> trump hasn't seen our focus groups before yesterday. we saw we talked about he was very polite to john kasich and jeb bush. trump realizes being a truth teller and polite as carson is what's fuelling the carson rise and the great appreciation for him in both focus groups. >> carson has been on many programs on fox news every night for six months. the country has gotten to know him. not the whole country but the fox news country. he, you know, when news breaks he does go out in a moment and offer what people view as thoughtful. >> didn't you ...

The danger on that is being inauthentic. >> sure. >> suddenly you become the angry guy because that's what the polls say. >> and how do you strike that balance? on this stage you have three candidates who thought they would be different voices in this election. rand paul, ted cruz and marco rubio all were insurgents. they ran against establishment candidates in senate primaries when they came to washington they thought they were going to be the outsiders, they were going to be different. now you've got trump and carson and fiorina and they look like the same old. so how do they find their spot...