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Just so the audience knows, if you google congressman spanberger, you'll see she was a case agent for the cia. she's not coming at this blindly. what would be your threshold? to be fair, unless i'm wrong, you don't know what happened on the phone call yet. >> that's right. >> you don't know what the sum and substance of the complaint is yet. that's why i said let's be clear you're not ready to impeach, you're ready to look. what would be the threshold? what would you have to see in the call and in the complaint that would get you to what point? >> yeah, evidence. evidence and information rel...

We deemed that these allegations, stand-alone allegations, demonstrate a grievous presence of potential corruption, a violation of the oath of office and what is really troubling here is the notion that we have a president who potentially pressured a foreign country to provide information about a political foe and his family and allegedly sought to use military assistance and security assistance dollars, taxpayer dollars as leverage in that quest. >> allegedly is the key word. just so the audience knows, if you google congressman spanberger, you'll see she was a case agent for the cia. she's n...

Sorry for someone who brought every single bit of this on himself. bias is so insidious. bias destroys the criminal justice system and destroys investigations and here you have a case agent who is supposed to be investigating hillary clinton while she tell mike he hopes wins the presidency with a historically large number, he initiates the probe into trump e promises to stop his presidency. i don't know anybody republican or democrat who thinks that is a law enforcement officer who should be handling a school crossing, much less counterintelligence investigations. >> martha: he said the presid...

Thank you very much. former assistant u.s. attorney for the southern district of new york. epstein obviously knows the president. there's ties to the labor secretary. you heard what miguel said. is there more out there? what do you think? >> i think there could be more out there. it's a little bit early to say. but one of the red flags here is that the case is being handled by prosecutors in the public corruption unit. which is not normally the place you would expect to see a sex trafficking case. many of us in the white-collar community recall when the elliot spitzer case first came to light ...

Interview? >> a couple of things, number one, i do not know -- are you talking about something that's publicly available? in which case, you would need to call the cia or fbi? i am martha wanted to present comparable and hopeful this president and any other president would call the intelligence community and law enforcement if and for adversary were trying to impact. as for any other reason, but the flip side of that is when you do pick up the phone and call, you have to have confidence in who is on the other end of the line but let's assume he called in june of 2016 pete who would he have got...