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And bannon has still had some input. remember, trump comes at this, for all the reporting on these conflicting idealologies within the west wing, the president has his own view on these things. he has his own impulses. they happen to be pretty similar to steve bannon's. >> and to be clear, in the white house, you say that the status of bannon has been eroding for some time? >> you remember the first explosion of headlines about his fight with jared kushner, the president's son-in-law, began back in april. i think they had been allies. and that quickly unraveled. this fight has been going on fo...

He saw an editorial make a pretty similar case. >> so the head of fox news and the head of "the wall street journal" is giving advice to the president of the united states, about who he should fire? >> we had him on a list of 20 people who have the president's ear, and who advise him a couple of months ago. he speaks to him most days. >> also in the article today, you wrote, and i'm paraphrasing because i don't have it in front of me, you said something like in general, steve bannon is the person who has been or is a person who has been telling the president not to call out fringe right groups...

Did not do after charleston. >> after charleston -- >> bannon needs to be called out. bannon has been a fundamental figure of facilitating a lot of these xenophobia and scapegoating our fellow human beings, and he has bannon right next to him in the white house. >> dr. west, let me just ask you, paris said that the president's initial statement on saturday was correct, that -- and one of the things the president said is that there was violence on many sides. >> that's not true. not on our side. it was not on our side at all. >> was there violence on many sides? >> not at all. not at all. that'...