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What epstein did was atrocious and anyone who's out there defending parts of it, even if you can make the case it was complicated and there are different pieces of evidence and other people involved in the process politically, i don't think it's one republicans are going to want to make. what i was saying earlier, they're getting clear signals from the white house that they don't want to stand behind and that people were fed up with him, even before this. so it will be interesting to watch over the next 48 hours, what you guys were saying earlier, that trump defends someone until he doesn't. h...

I just didn't want to put it on again. >> my question is could there be any dna on there? >> i have no idea. i do not know if the president ejacula ejaculated. i have no idea. >> i guess the reason i'm asking is because the mayor of new york city, mayor bill de blasio who is running against president trump has said if you were to bring a case forward, he will pursue it. he will have the new york city police department pursue it. so do you want to pursue this legally? >> the greatest police department in the world. the detectives are great in new york. the thing is, it's past the time. experts ...

>> national security investigator, primarily -- >> you're familiar with criminal investigations? >> yes, sir. >> you understand as you're aggregating evidence, you're looking to see if there's an act of a crime. >> yes. >> you have to demonstrate the mental state if you bring a case forward, intentional, knowingly, reckless? >> almost always, yes. >> and you would agree that short of some statement against interest, most of the time the cup payab culpable mental state -- >> i hate to generalize. >> trust me, it is. because short of someone making a statement against interest, you've got to pro...

Appearance of favoritism, and it's not even clear, you know, if that is the case, but he has pulled that person off the team, and i think that's so that, you know, when he puts a case forward, he wants it to be impenetrable and above reproach. so i think that was the right call. >> i'll ask you lastly, just for your sense of how the house investigation is going. again, when you look at all of these, in parallel, there was a sense for a while that yours was a bit behind the others in part because of challenges with leadership of that committee. where do things stand now? how would you character...

Her have a compensable civil suit, which was apparently the case. another consideration is the age of the evidence. the underlying events are already 13 years old, and the evidence will not get freshermefresher me. it's a he said, she said without forensi forensics. one said, they should have left it closed, not enough evidence to move the case forward, no stained garment, no smoking gun, no nothing. then there's the cost. they said it was probably the largest undertaking in this county in terms of what it put on the criminal justice system. in a post trial presser, steele said this. >> you ca...