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Bad choice to join the taliban. long before the manafort trial started ellis questioned the special counsel's motives in prosecuting manafort saying you don't really care about mr. manafort's bank fraud, suggesting it was an effort to pressure manafort into providing information he may have on donald trump. >> i think judge t.s. ellis in virginia said it best, he's not a particular figure, he has no skin in this game except the law. >> still, ellis surprised the white house and let the case go forward. ellis was born in 1940 in columbia. he graduated from princeton, went on to study law at har...

Justice, but they rejected that and made this case that citizens in the united states have an interest in having noncitizens coming to visit them and so basically even if the administration wants to have a more narrow travel ban just for people outside the u.s., the three judges are saying that could be problematic which is interesting to note. >> david, go ahead. >> let me echo something and move on. he is right about that. the president ought to -- let the case go forward. minimize the impact of the case. this president department get elected like that. >> will his ego let him do that? >> th...

Experiences. >> yeah that's a good way. the issue of she was selling it to the tabloids ten years ago is an allegation. all that the court did this past week is say let the case go forward. if they have that as evidence introduce it. we're just at the ge beginbeginning. you can not assume. i do agree since the case is going forward and other woman were ready to stand up and fight back are joining in and saying that i want to be part of this or want the story to be told. it's a good thing or healthy thing. >> yeah fred they're going to ask him questions of events and facts that took place 35 ye...

Judicial system in effect? now, your colleague, senator jill le brand, also active on this. she laid out the case for taking it to the outside of the chain command, which i believe you disagree with. let's hear from her and get your response. >> what victims tell us is they don't trust the chain of command. those commanders you showed a picture of, they testified and have said they don't trust us, don't trust the chain of command. the problem is clear. we want to create an objective review by a trained military prosecutor, a lawyer, trained to weigh evidence and make the fundamental decision, ...

Now, your colleague, senator jill le brand, also active on this. she laid out the case for taking it to the outside of the chain command, which i believe you disagree with. let's hear from her and get your response. >> what victims tell us is they don't trust the chain of command. those commanders you showed a picture of, they testified and have said they don't trust us, don't trust the chain of command. the problem is clear. we want to create an objective review by a trained military prosecutor, a lawyer, trained to weigh evidence and make the fundamental decision, does the case go forward. >...