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Malice case are they pled it as a malice case. i read the complaint carefully. probably limited public figure status because you don't know who he is before this happens. i like to tell people, proving malice is to prove carlson knew it was false when he said it. or acted in reckless disregard of that truth. i tell people it's a subjective, undisclosed mental process. how do you know when someone knows they're lying? unless they tell you. which is dominion, because we had the emails and all this documentary evidence. but you're in that pond. and i don't care how good the case looks. i don't ca...

Actually prove in a case like this. >> it's going to be an actual malice case. they plotted as an actual malice case, i read the complaint pretty carefully, probably-limited public figure status because you don't know who he is before this happens. but what i like to tell people is proving action analysis is to prove carlson knew it was false when he said it, or acted in reckless disregard of that truth. which i tell people is a subjective undisclosed mental process. how do you know when someone knows they're lying, unless they tell you, which is dominion, because we had the emails and all thi...

Say great, if you want to send it over to us will deal with it then. this is a stronger move by nancy pelosi but she doesn't have any leverage in the situation because the longer she holds it, the weaker case looks, and the more partisan and political she appears because frankly, she is. >> shannon: maybe she'll sneak it into his christmas stocking! maybe she'll sneak it in the middle of the night. >> that's like getting coal. >> i like that. >> shannon: juan and karl, thank you to the both of you. breaking news, former cia director john brennan under the microscope, on an investigation into t...

Release derogatory information about people who aren't going to be indicted. but because the doj has a policy that the president can't be indicted, should that change how this is handled? >> that's an excellent point, don, and i think it very well might. because in a typical situation there is a privacy interest of someone who the doj had a chance to indict and decided not to. as you note, doj has long maintained that the president is constitutionally immune to indictment. he's not immune, of course, to impeachment. and to the extent that is something that if indictment is not on the table the...

As you note the doj has long maintained that the president is constitutionally immune to indictment. he's not immune, of course, to impeachment. and to the extent that is something if indictment is not on the table then impeachment has to be at least theoretically on the table. and therefore there is far more than in the usual situation, a public interest in learning information, derogatory information about someone who even though that person is not going to be indicted by doj. >> garret, for as much as it looks like mueller wrapping things up, roger stone's case looks like it's really just b...