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Sames in this case. but giuliani also said his attitude is f it. what is giuliani's legacy now after things like this? >> yeah. it's so interesting you say that because i teach crisis management in homeland security, so i teach a case study on rudy giuliani. i assigned it this year, and i won't be able to assign it again because the students now cannot perceive of him as a rational human being. when i read the case setting now about how he acted on 9/11, in some ways it's the same giuliani, the center of attention, the sort of, you know, i don't care what anyone else thinks, the sort of screw-...

I suppose that could change the holida holidays. >> any republican senators or staffs are concerned of donald trump of the statement they made, defense's case are harder? >> it is possible. the reality here is the idea there would be 20 republican senators who would defect anything the president says now is unlikely, right? you have to think if you stood by the president this long and if you decided after this much coverage public testimony of the facts in the ukraine case setting aside of the elements of the mueller report which is not included here. what's going to make you change your mind ...