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Really, and that's impeachment. joining me now from the office of information of regulatory affairs under president obama and author of "impeachment: a citizen's guide." if facts point in that direction, congress must. cass, you are not -- i think your reputation is not as a kind of like fire-breathing radical. i think your temperament is fairly moderate in temperament and judicious. but you seem to come down on the impeachment side here. why? >> well, impeachment side with respect to congress' obligations not necessarily with respect to any particular president. so it's probably good to go st...

Direction, congress must. cass, you are not -- i think your reputation is not as a kind of like fire-breathing radical. i think your temperament is fairly moderate in temperament and judicious. but you seem to come down on the impeachment side here. why? >> well, impeachment side with respect to congress' obligations not necessarily with respect to any particular president. so it's probably good to go step by step and look at the issues with a degree of solemnity and not in a partisan way. so if you go back to the sounding, the idea of impeachment was essential to us having a constitution at a...