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Benefits. they care about decency, honesty and being able to invest trust in the leader and andrew is one of those people, i know you can trust him all the way. >> you are obviously one of the greatest television producers of all time, you're a legend. "all in the family" has been something i've -- a little thing, archie bunker. there was a thing called the archie bunker voter during the trump era. the person who was cranky about race, cranky about diversity, cranky about multi-culturalism, cast a vote on that basis are still with him. archie bunker was a guy who was changeable. >> yes. >> he ...

Was -- that her main political virtue in this state is not someone who's she's with trump about half the time, against trump about half the time. what people admire her for is her political independence. and there's a lot of people here whose attitude is politics has gotten way too tribal in america. it's a conservative state, but a state as you recall put people like the u.s. senate democrats of an independent center strike. they like that about heidi heitkamp. and i think there are a fair number of voters and say it was a vote of courage, a vote where she was voting against the easy politics...

Campaign is not pulling away from that issue. >> no, and i think lawrence it goes back to the thing we talked about. i said i don't know i've seen many tougher votes than the votes she took. and she took it -- she was the attorney general of the state for two terms. she's prosecuted a lot of sexual assault cases. her mother was a victim of sexual assault and harassment. this was something that came out in the wake of that kramer comment about women playing victim, and she revealed her mother was a victim. so she made her choice on this vote, and i think she recognizes that's the hand she's pla...

Of it. how does that answer playing with the audience you saw deliver it to? >> i think it played well with that audience, lawrence. i think the way in she owned it, she took a bad situation. she has no explanation for it, they have no excuse. they let someone go from the campaign today. but in that room from heitkamp's supporters i think she owned the mistake and apologize for it. i think as a political matter it's left her campaign which you suggested in your intro in a difficult place. she was starting to see someday light with kevin kramer pulling away even before the kavanaugh vote. the m...

Post-office box address in all of their identification. the suppression of the tribal vote and senator heitkamp's decision to vote against the confirmation of brett kavanaugh meant that her campaign was going to be in an up hill climb in which they could not afford any mistakesch and then the heitkamp campaign made a serious mistake. the challenger criticized the me too movement about being for victimization. and as "the new york times" reports, mr. kramer said they cannot understand this movement towards victimizization. they are pie nears of the prairie. these are tough people whose parents ...