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What do you make of that and is that an accurate assessment of what is going to happen here? >> well, i think it's completely inaccurate. the cuban people and the american people, vast majorities of both want us to have good relationships. and having good relationships means that there will be investment in cuba. and if there's investment in cuba, even in the tourist industry, which the military controls, then that means you're reducing the power of the military in cuba, not enhancing it. so to me this explanation doesn't make any sense at all. what we're talking about is senator marco rubio's...

Gave too much to a regime that has been very tough on its own people, that has starved so many of its own people. what do you make of his argument and how do you square that? how do you get around that very real challenge that there are real concerns about how the castros have treated their people? >> you know, we have concerns about human rights all over the world. particularly in countries in which president trump has been visiting or has -- or its leaders have visited him. i'm thinking about egypt. i'm thinking about turkey. i'm thinking about saudi arabia. but of course we care about human...

She brings up a good point. she brings up a good point in that -- castro's reputation around the world is different than in the united states. >> that ignores the fact -- you may like what castro did in south africa. i don't. you can't forget that he did this all on the backs of the cuban people. this was an absolute dictatorship that crushed this island beneath their jack booted heel. shot people for disagreeing with the castros, for 50 years they have been -- they murdered their political opponents and supported groups like hezbollah, iran and chavez. let's not forget who he is. >> this is a...

Could something change? >> i don't think anything is going to change. as marco rubio said rightly, fidel hasn't been in charge. raul is in charge. the transfer happened a decade ago. the problem is not -- was not fidel. it was the system that he put in place all these decades ago. that's with a we need to focus on. we need to focus not on an end to the castros, not the name, but to the system which lives off the back of the cuban people, threatens us and interferes in the region. >> the question is obviously, what -- of what president obama has done gets left in by donald trump. before we go w...

Soldiers into angola to help bring down apartheid in south africa. and so there is a lot of ambivalence when you are looking at fidel kcastro that is not reflected here. i think what president obama's statement was doing -- i know you disagree with me -- >> no. she brings up a good point. she brings up a good point in that -- castro's reputation around the world is different than in the united states. >> that ignores the fact -- you may like what castro did in south africa. i don't. you can't forget that he did this all on the backs of the cuban people. this was an absolute dictatorship that c...