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>> that is the problem. but what's really ironic is you have john kelly actually making excuses for a bunch of people who fired on and killed hundreds of thousands of men who wore the uniform that he wears now. it is unbelievably pathetic that a four-star general would make that and to say that the reason we ought not criticize them is because we're using today's moral standards. excuse me. we have a moral standard that goes back to the ten commandments. it says thou shall not steal. that's not a new moral standard. that's been around since god handed the tablets to moses. so i think probably ...

Compromise on what? and on both sides. tim, i know you want to jump in here. let mow just give you this quote. historian core ill low writes for the washington post the white house loves a both sides narrative especially one that con seals the vial riceism of one side's ideology. is that the problem here? >> is that the problem. but what's really ironic is you have john kelly actually making excuses for a bunch of people who fired on and killed hundreds of thousands of men who wore the uniform that he wears now. it is unbelievably pathetic that a four-star general would mick that and to say th...

Have got to stand up guest this all the time. can we please stop mincing words. what he is doing to jeff sessions is horrible. i don't even like the guy. and i feel sorry for him. i feel like i'm in catechism class and watching the mart ter dom of session the. it is horrible. >> daily tormenting, hue mill iating. and showing everybody that loyalty does not matter to donald trump. >> thank you. very much. that was a fun segment. jefferson bore -- aka the piñata for president trump. >> cnn news room with poppy harlow is going to pick up right after the break. stay with. finally, listening to my...

Feel about those teachings is determining whether you're in or out. >> is the focus on culture war issue, pelvic zone issues as you talk about in the realm of birth control, premarital sex, gay and lesbian relationships is that driven by a press that can only view this through this political lens or driven by a church putting emphasis on it? >> there's a little bit of both. i go -- people that follow me on twitter know i go to a latin traditional mass with the most militant type of priest. and we have maybe one sermon -- >> militant traditional. >> yes. but they have the most, you know, we get...