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Run. he's not necessarily appealing to the died in the wool activist republicans you see at caucuses. he's bringing new people into the caucus process. people who never caucused before. you need to have a great organization to get those people out on january 3. you don't just show up in the booth and pull the lever on caucus night. you have to physically go at a certain time and maybe brave bad weather. he needs to have that great organization. but it's still a risky group of caucus-goers who have never been there before. megyn: as you look at it now. mitt romney not that far behind. is there ...

It off in iowa if he does? >> well, ron paul has a serious campaign organization in iowa. he never really disbanded his campaign in iowa after he ran in the 2008 caucuses and came in fifth. he actually has members of the republican state central committee who are supporting him. he's been working for the last couple of years developing a campaign organization in iowa and he has continued to come to the states. so he has been slowly inching up in the polls and bringing new people into the caucus process. that combination means he's a real threat to win the caucuses. >> cathie, i just want to ex...

High. so how is this going to play out? is gingrich, is he in the lead in iowa, in your opinion, from what you hear? >> i think gingrich is in the lead in iowa from a mind share perspective. his organization still trails behind where michele bachmann, rick santorum, or even ron paul who has the best organization in the state. he pales in comparison organizationally to them. as my counterpart here said, he's such a known figure. he doesn't need the organization rick santorum needs. i mean, he can generate either buzz or negativity organically by being newt gingrich. he needs a better organizati...

High. so how is this going to play out? is gingrich, is he in the lead in iowa, in your opinion, from what you hear? >> i think gingrich is in the lead in iowa from a mind share perspective. his organization still trails behind where michele bachmann, rick santorum, or even ron paul who has the best organization in the state. he pales in comparison organizationally to them. as my counterpart here said, he's such a known figure. he doesn't need the organization rick santorum needs. i mean, he can generate either buzz or negativity organically by being newt gingrich. he needs a better organizati...

And i know that the percentage of evangelical christians that go to these caucuses is is very high. so how is this going to play out? is gingrich, is he in the lead in iowa, in your opinion, from what you hear? >> i think gingrich is in the lead in iowa from a mind share perspective. his organization still trails behind where michele bachmann, rick santorum, or even ron paul who has the best organization in the state. he pales in comparison organizationally to them. as my counterpart here said, he's such a known figure. he doesn't need the organization rick santorum needs. i mean, he can gener...