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He's sort of force to negotiate against himself and the $3.5 trillion that the president wants but knowing likely to come out of this is far more moderate than that. >> all right, josh getting us started there at the white house and julie, thank you guys. another development, the house budget committee has advanced the democrats' budget reconciliation measure. >> one member of that committee is dan kilde. he's a native of flint, michigan. he's here with us on the show. welcome back, congressman. >> thanks for having me.

Morally unambiguous and i am going to lead you, not follow, i'm going to lead you, and i cannot name anyone in the republican party today who has actually been willing to do that. >> at the heart of this issue is what you and your colleagues went through that day, and your colleague congressman dan kilde said several lawmakers are suffering from ptsd as a result of january 6th. do you have a until or mental effects since that day? >> i think the truth is all of us do. we were, i want to say it was january 7th, although i suppose events of january 6th didn't end until the 7th, after we'd gotten...

That day. they go triple particularly for the female members of congress because it's a lot easier in the current world we live in for a white man to express anger in an acceptable way, and it goes quadruply for the staff, because when the capitol police came through to protect us, they got all the members of congress out first but the people who were barricaded behind those doors were staff and some cases nonpartisan staff. >> those staff members are definitely heroes and even though you say hindsight, that fear that you felt was real and congressman, we appreciate you coming on and being so ...

Harmed in violence in various religious places. let me start with this. i think it is important to demand a fair trial. i think that that's what's expected, but i also believe we have to be careful that we don't allow the moral imperative high ground to stand out to metamorph into political expediency. this is about the moral imperative to make sure the president of the united states does not commit high crimes and misdemeanors with impunity. and i think we move expeditiously to do this. >> are you okay with the delay until february as was suggested by congressman cdan kilde? do you think they...

On the economy. at the end of the day you're at the whim of whoever is doing your interview but the best message is this one and pivot back. >> his comments were the moment that i agree to this, then i have to deal with the fallout of whatever i say, not the president or other folks in the white house being held to account for whatever their involvement was in this potential trial. so i think he's aware but it's a damned if you do and if you don't scenario. >> i want to play for you part of a conversation with my colleague last night, this is representative dan kilde and what he said about the...