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Richard german who played for the seattle seahawks really said listen it's the new "n" word and i think that's true. i think when you examine when the word is used it's used to describe the actions of people of color, specifically people who are in the inner city. i think for journalists to have a debate back and forth about thug and thuggery is naive and sort of misplaced because it's not really the question. journalists should strive to use words that describe accurately what's happening. so for example -- >> what are the words journalists should be used to describe the people who are out on...

Night, they were punching a store owner in the face because he was trying to protect his property. they threw cement blocks at firefighters trying to save the neighborhoods. i'm thinking thugs is not far off the mark. am i wrong? >> not far off the mark is putting -- >> answer my question. >> i'm answering you. >> no -- >> you don't want a dialogue. i'm giving you -- >> i'm asking you about the behavior. >> yeah thug behavior by virtue of the definition. you don't want to apply it to lawman breaking -- >> i didn't say whether you can call a cop a thug. >> we have kollcolorized the word "thug."...

Stop so he can stop to him. look i'm getting locked up. what for? i believe that's what may have caused his injuries. >> when you see what's happened in baltimore this week with the police reportedly according to police sources who told us they were given the order to -- if not stand down hold back as people were pelting them with bottles and cement blocks and so on. what do you think? do you think the police are being treated appropriately when it comes to what's turned out to be an assault against them? we have over 100 cops who have been hurt. >> yeah i believe the intentions of the hands o...

Lawlessness and looting, that's the cost -- >> you're dodging. >> i don't know what we're talking about. i'm talking about the thug. that was the conversation. using the word thug. we don't -- >> i'm going to give you the floor. hold on. she's saying -- >> you gave me a question. i thought i was answering it. >> we got off. she's saying these are misguided young people. i was lifeve on the air monday night, they were punching a store owner in the face because he was trying to protect his property. they threw cement blocks at firefighters trying to save the neighborhoods. i'm thinking thugs is ...

>> hopefully we will get them. mary thank you for being here. >> thank you. up next the let's fallout after last night's devastation in baltimore. will the rioters who exploited what had been a peaceful protest, looted stores set fire to homes, burned cars, threw cement blocks at firefighters vandalized firefighter's hoses, tried to burn down a center citizen center being built, ever be brought to justice? that's next.