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Said all along. although, he has always consistently called it a wall. what do you have come as a republican, about different ways of talking about this? >> congressman gaetz: i would hope republicans and democrats can come together and agree that the united states senate is not the ideal architectural review committee for border security. i don't think we want 100 people negotiating whether or not you want a well here or a fence here or two princes or slats. i think we should trust a professional skier. this is about getting an input of researches resources that c, border security. spew and y...

He talks about fencing and other things. but then when he gets called out, it's like, oh, so it is not the wall you promised. then he goes right back at it and says, no, it is a wall. >> right. that's what makes it so interesting here, is that the deal to be made is one for additional funding for a barrier. but inside the language of that deal, much like it was last year, there will be language that it can't be a concrete wall. it could be some kind of enhanced fencing or not a concrete wall. can the president politically and psychologically, can he swallow that pill? >> we certainly don't kno...

Cement wall was given up a long time ago, that they talked to people in border patrol and they said what they needed was drones, more drones, and more people. the idea of a wall across the entire southern border was just not feasible or didn't make any sense. jake, in hitting on jeff's last point, you've mentioned this as well, the president was going to stay in washington for these past two weeks. why wasn't he more vocal and more public than he was? he was just on twitter complaining, why didn't we see public events? why didn't he visit a federal worker's home? i don't know, something. >> ye...

This. he has said it was going to be many miles. it's rehabilitated existing fencing. there is nothing new. he has told people we have started building the wall and he has contracted some certain number of miles already. what i wonder because i listen and read every statement he makes on the wall is whether or not he will in the end reopen the government with a deal that he calls a wall that isn't a wall or whether he actually wants to stay on offense about a wall into mid-to-late 2020 and use it as an election issue. >> ed: is it becoming a semantic debate? john kelly made some headlines by t...

Border patrol says they need. they have said they need bar yo iers. >> the wall has become a metaphor for border security. what we're talking about is a physical barrier where it makes sense. in the past every democrat has voted for these physical barriers. >> trump pushed back that he had given up on a cement wall. an all concrete wall was never abandoned as han bes been the reported by the media. it's not the media. he adds some area will be all concrete but the experts prefer a call that's see through. meanwhile the manufactured crisis has create add real problem for real people. it's only ...