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And joseph menn from the washington post, i mean, have you noticed any change since you've been monitoring social media? are the chinese censors winning? so on social media, i mean, there is an enormous range of tools that are used. so there is word blocking. there's obviously the great firewall, but there's a lot of pressure on the companies themselves to police their networks. and then there's what's called the 50 cent army, where government employees essentially or contractors, you know, fill up comments with, you know, comment sections with ha happy stuff. ppy, but the creativity of the pr...

And six years since i've been in china, we've seen the the tide go in the opposite direction of more and more tightening. and when i started reporting in china in 2016, it was still fairly easy to make sources and speak to new people. i think nowadays, the so—called red lines of political sensitivities are ever, ever broader areas. so previously, we knew that it was difficult to speak to people about things like that, like the one—party system, questions of taiwan's independence and so on. nowadays, even speaking to european business people in china working for multinationals about their p...

Is going to be in republican hands kevin mccarthy will be the speaker of the house. he's been known to be more friendly in the past than others to big tech. he received an enormous amount of money over the years from big tech companies. we like kevin mccarthy. we've had him on the show many times. but this is where the runner meets the you know what road here. i don't care who gave you the contributions. this must stop. this is -- these are proxy censors for the left right now and this has to stop. because this is going on as molly said across the board on all of these big tech companies. >> w...

Yes. and i think that fact is not lost on the chinese leadership. and president xi himself talked about the dangers of the jasmine revolutions and uprisings that were fueled in part by people's access to easy information. and i think that's why the government has invested so much in creating this great firewall of censorship within china. however, it does take human decision making to to to make it work. and in the first few days of the protests, certainly over the weekend, there was a lot that was getting past the censors because people were in this cat and mouse game. people were trying to i...

How do people then know where to go, what to... where to demonstrate? what other people are doing in the rest of china? where does the information come from? so a lot of chinese people have access to a piece of software known as a vpn, which is circumvention software that allows you to bypass the chinese firewall and access platforms that are blocked in the country. so, we're talking platforms like facebook, twitter, even youtube, google — all these platforms that you just can't access. instead, in the country, there are chinese equivalents. so instead of google, you've got baidu, instead of...