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We have four points in time that we have here that show you the highs and the lows. her lows have been when she is the central focus. whitewater investigation, presidential campaign. her highs are when she gets to be above politics either secretary of state or during the monica case she was a victim, a bystander here. the question is how does she -- she could be victimized by the way house republicans aggressively go after her, but at the same time look like the hillary clinton of the whitewater days. >> in fact one of the big high points was beijing when she went up against everybody and gave...

>> oh heavens no. i think it was a wall street journal reporter that went and looked at our three previous hearings and i mentioned her name a whopping zero times. so she is a very important part of understanding what happened in libya and benghazi, but, chuck, we're scheduled to interview 50 witnesses between now and the conclusion. so she would be 1/50 of that. her documents at 45,000 that we're reviewing would be a small subset. she's very important. but she is by no means -- she is not even a -- she's not even a central focus. she is certainly not the central focus. >> i would assume that ...

We're reviewing would be a small subset. she's very important. but she is by no means -- she is not even a -- she's not even a central focus. she is certainly not the central focus. >> i would assume that means your also the cia director at the time david petraeus a big role in that and everything going on in libya and benghazi at the time too, i assume you're in the middle of negotiating with him as well, trying to get documents and e-mails from him and schedule his testimony? >> well, we would very much like to talk to general petraeus, as you know. he has been otherwise engaged for the past...

And so i think she's being held to a different standard, i would argue, jeb bush has a lot of problems with his e-mails. if transparency is paramount to becoming commander in chief, let's have the same standard for everybody and she's already turned over 55,000 pages. >> the problem is, jeb got ahead of it. she had an opportunity to get more ahead of it. >> but he still hasn't released, chuck. >> do two wrongs make a right? >> no, but that's not the point. the point is everybody should be playing by the same rules. same standard. >> andrea and kevin, let me throw something up here. there is no...

The country. and that feeds another one of these narratives which is just simply not true. it's not a central focus. if you look at 2012, black voter turnout exceeded that of white voter turnout, and in states with the strictest voter i.d. laws. >> but that's because -- >> i think that's surprising about this is he hasn't talked at all about the other ferguson report. i mean we talk about moral clarity. there's moral clarity in the ferguson report when they describe instances in which african-americans are selected by -- >> let me interrupt for a secretary. because i'm going to put some statis...