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If trump ended up at the capitol on the west front that day, it's very significant, very interesting as to whether he might have tried to urge the crowd. what was he trying to do, that's the central question. >> joyce, let's move to the new york tax fraud trial against the trump organization. it begins tomorrow. what are you watching? >> wow, the cfo for the trump organization, allen weisselberg, has pleaded guilty. and that should mean that the outcome of this trial is all -- the shouting, the testimony of the government needs to convict, should be readily available. the big question surround...

My existential threat is not that cinemas will close 100%, and no—one will ever go to a movie theatre ever again. how much the business ultimately declines, with all the headwinds that you just described, is really the central question. at the moment, where the industry is about 30% down versus 2019 — which is a significant amount. and also, what we're seeing is — and this was a trend before the pandemic, but it's even more exaggerated now as people have got used to streaming — the kinds of movies that are working in movie theatres are more and more specific. we know that the movie the...

My existential threat is not that cinemas will close 100%, and no—one will ever go to a movie theatre ever again. how much the business ultimately declines, with all the headwinds that you just described, is really the central question. at the moment, where the industry is about 30% down versus 2019 — which is a significant amount. and also, what we're seeing is — and this was a trend before the pandemic, but it's even more exaggerated now as people have got used to streaming — the kinds of movies that are working in movie theatres are more and more specific. we know that the movie the...

It is so uncertain at the moment — you know, there's the fallout from the pandemic shutdown, which still looms obviously very large, there's a cost of living crisis going on, and, of course, the streamers who are continuing to have a dramatic impact on how we consume movies. how worried are you that cinemas will close if people don't use them? yeah, i don't think — i'm not worried. my existential threat is not that cinemas will close 100%, and no—one will ever go to a movie theatre ever again. how much the business ultimately declines, with all the headwinds that you just described, is r...

And as the leader, it's also really important, i think, to be accountable, you know, and just lead by that example because, you know, the buck stops at the top. absolutely. i mean, if we turn to the future of cinema, you know, it is so uncertain at the moment — you know, there's the fallout from the pandemic shutdown, which still looms, obviously very large, there's a cost of living crisis going on, and, of course, the streamers who are continuing to have a dramatic impact on how we consume movies. how worried are you that cinemas will close if people don't use them? yeah, i don't think — ...