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Claiming it. you want to know why? their campaign pollster said, we are not going to let our campaign be dictated by fact checkers. now -- finally, i can say, that is true. >> you know, jon, when he goes, i don't know whether to laugh or cry, i mean that's -- that's the male equivalent in the south of a woman saying, bless her heart. >> bless her heart. >> that means you're dead. >> i'm going to kill you. >> bless your heart. >> but he -- but he -- >> bill clinton is steel magnolia. >> exactly. but he delivered a great message. a centrist message, to again, a fairly progressive group. >> one t...

This is where they're going. maybe they defined the debate that's going to come before 2012. bill: perhaps. >> maybe. bill: i heard you talking, saying there was no message in this last night, you heard nothing in the middle, nothing that was moderate? >> i think there were signs of the old president obama, he reintroduced the idea of taxing the rich, even though he agreed to extend tax cuts for the rich even last month, he revisited that and vez maybe we can't afford that. he also bashed the oil companies and specifically went after the oil companies that's the old obama, the left of the hand...