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Popular vote by 3 million to perhaps the -- >> then forced his press secretary to lie about the crowd size. >> -- worst opponent, political opponent. the polls do impact him, mark halperin. >> low approval rating, historically low for a president. in a tough position right now where you would like to think that a president can have a comeback. if he can't figure out how to solve health care and tax reform in the next couple of weeks, he may see his major legislative efforts halted at the hands of his own party, not trying to work with the other party. then what does he do? >> margaret, here is...

Past two years -- >> can you set that up? >> certainly. that made an impression on me. >> an extraordinary moment as well. >> meeting with the reporters from reuters, having conversation about his presidency. at one point he has a stack of the electoral maps of 2016 and hands them out to the reporters, something along the lines, isn't that beautiful? reinforcing the fact, i won. >> do you have these? have you seen these? >> right. what that reinforces is that he has flip flopping all over the place and never stood by any position. the comment he made about not standing by anything does apply m...

Angry that he saw what was happening with regard to the civil war and said there's no reason for this. people don't ask that question, but why was there the civil war? why could that one not have been worked out? >> doris, there's so much we could talk about there. of course, he's wrong factually, but, you know, people don't ask that question about the civil war? he's always been a bizarre interview. we know that as well as anybody. but the past -- douglas brinkley, who we will get to in a second here, was talking about the president's mental state. have we ever found ourselves in this positio...

To bring us together rather than pull apart? >> representative himes, i want to ask a question about the politics. democratic party. there's a sense in which you staked out a moderate position, a centrist position, but how do you say to those folks, hundreds of thousands of folks who march for climate change, those folks in the street to convince them that the moderate position isn't just simply business as usual? folks who in some way reject the centristism of the democratic party? >> the way you win in washington, whether you talk about the white house, the house or senate, you win by adding...

Republicans have to erode that. >> i think the narrative that he has personally is running counter to what he believes policy wise. he used to have a centrist position. marco rubio is floating out there because he can't decide what his policy is. which is hillary clinton would -- by doing this is going after the hispanic block of voters. she's deciding very emphatically the hispanic block is more important than centrist voters which is very interesting. at sh point she will have to describe like criminal justice with the 1994 clinton crime bill her husband's 1996 immigration bill that basicall...