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Housing facility with tents. the striped uniforms and pink underwear inmates are required to wear. and the use of chain gangs to perform everything from maintenance work to burying the indigent. behind it all is the man who has run the jail since 1992. sheriff joe arpaio. >> one of my philosophies is you should never live better in jail than you do on the outside. >> you purposely want your jails to be tough, correct? >> well, i sure don't want it to be a hilton hotel like some other prisons around the nation. it's all this rehabilitation, education. we have all that in our jails, nobody talks...

We don't want the trains to go the path of air planes and air travel. and we a got to -- >> you you can't crash a train into anything. >> i disagree. i have to pull joe into this because we have to move on. we haven't had a successful attack since 9/11. i think we are complaisant. when i am on a train i feel vulnerable because i don't see security. i'm sorry. i really do feel it. >> you gotta be vulnerable once in awhile. >> how many times have i been vulnerable with you? >> look, we keep letting this happen. every time something happens there are 10 new levels of security. and so put us on ch...

Now. >> when i lived in los angeles, the first time i saw prisoners doing work was actually right on pch. they had them all in jump suits, yeah. >> chain gangs? >> no, they weren't chained. they were just asked not to leave. it worked, i guess. >> probably a pretty good idea. meanwhile, while health care took the spotlight last month, backstage at the house of representatives quietly passed the $6 billion disaster relief and summer jobs act. congress ignoring it once again. how does this affect you, the taxpayer? william lejunesse is live at 4:33 pacific time. good morning to you. >> steve, wh...

Cities and chain gangs, immigration. i don't need this to get on a camera. so it's a tough decision. i think someone should say, hey, thanks, sheriff, at least you're one politician staying where you are at and there's no doubt -- i don't want to be egotistical, but i could be the governor if i ran. but i decided to stay as sheriff. tough decision, but i think i can do a lot as the third largest sheriff's office. and the majority of people live in maricopa county anyway. so i can still do my part for the people of this county, this state and the united states of america by the way i crack down...

San antonio. >> some people are saying maybe not chain gangs, but this is a luxury of life that should not be afforded to somebody who's broken our laws. >> we do it for three reasons. we maintain the support system for the inmates. that's important. family can give them a little treat every once in a while to let them know they're still supporting him even though he's in jail. it saves the county a little money. also we use it as a management tool. this is a privilege that the inmates have to earn. if they misbehave, they lose that privilege. >> is this something that's offered to people who ...