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Talked to in that regard was mr. pollack, the gym owner. his description of mr. zimmerman was not confrontational. everything i've reviewed in this case would indicate the opposite. he was not the type that had what we would refer to as a warrior mindset. that -- that inner fire that compels you to be a fighter, that come pepels you to be that person that you want to get in the ring to test your skills against another person. >> was there anything but for the gunshot the lack of injuries on mr. martin that helped you with that decision. >> based on the injuries that i -- we've all seen on mr. ...

At are the event as it's unfolding, at the moment that the use of force was taking place. and the perception of the individual involved in the event itself. what did they perceive their position to be presented as. that's the ultimate thing that i have to look at when i look at a use of force case and come down to the nuts and bolts of things. it's at the moment the force was used, given everything else, at that moment, the perception of that person that was using force, what was their perception at that given second. and how would that affect the outcome. >> okay. we talked about the flashlig...

As to how many times you've testified as an expert. i think you said this is your first time testifying in a self-defense case? >> in a criminal trial, yes, sir. >> how many times have you testified in a criminal case? >> oh, i couldn't -- a lot. i mean, throughout a 22-year career in law enforcement. many times. >> have you ever been cross-examinationed by a prosecutor? >> no. >> normally you are actually on the side of the state, correct? >> yes. this is a complete opposite of where i normally sit. >> i want you to presume for a moment that you don't have any information about where the figh...

Going to testify. number one is think about it because i'm going to ask you. number two, are you going to do it? at which point his lawyers were trying to say, judge, we've not even finished our case. you're overruled. sit down. now number three, once again, have you got any other witnesses you want to bring? listen, i'm going to squeeze in a quick break. the great seal of the state of florida in the courtroom right now. you're not missing any live testimony. they will resume very likely. guess what they're fwoigoing to resume likely with? the answer to that question, mr. zimmerman, do you pla...

>> yes. >> you do? >> you're asking my opinion. based on the information i was given the opportunity just like i could look at you and say, i don't know what mr. zimmerman was doing, i don't know what mr. martin was doing. if you're looking for me to say that i don't know if trayvon martin was doing this one specific thing, we're talking about the totality. it's how i formed my opinion. you're asking me about what was he doing at that time. it appears clear through the evidence, if you want me to just surprise and say that, well, based on your perspective he wasn't doing this or george zimmerm...