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I have many american nationalists. >> how does white supremacist, how does that phrase become offense i have? he said that! when did this phrase become offensive? you don't have a problem with that? >> that's -- i do have a problem with that. and that's why i said that steve should never have gone into a "new york times" interview -- >> oh, yeah, because it's about "the new york times." you're right, he was a lot safer when he was talking to that white power outlet in austria, about this stuff! he was much better off. listen, paul, this isn't the republican party. you remember with trent lott ...

Take a public stand and criticize the president? >> i'm fascinated by romney because like a lot of people over time, i keep wondering which mitt romney is going to show up. >> right. >> part of the answer to that i think is there are two mitt romneys. there's the mitt romney who acts one way when he's run acanother that acts one way when he's serving or he's not running for office. at the core of mitt romney i thistle is somebody very mccain-like income that he has a sense of honor and the dignity of the office and that will character counts, country first. soles i think people were really won...

Romneys. there's the mitt romney who acts one way when he's run acanother that acts one way when he's serving or he's not running for office. at the core of mitt romney i thistle is somebody very mccain-like income that he has a sense of honor and the dignity of the office and that will character counts, country first. soles i think people were really wondering to see which mitt romney was going to show up as the senator. i think it's the public servant mitt romney. he made it very clear right out of the gate he's not coming here to genuflect, that he's going to be a voice. he said i agree wit...

The candidate thinks he is a terrible human being. >> i would call out the first and foremost, have a bottomless appetite, putting up with what he is doing, and just comparing to past scandals, there is a sense that like clinton, nixon, were basically presidential but flawed personalities where as trump just seems like a consummate carnie or something. >> this is a party that was always character counts, right? it was so engrained in the party message. what will that like like in the post trump era. >> people in the highest position in the white house think he is a terrible person with no mora...

That's lost. his presidency, his legacy of a president is debatable. his character is not. and character counts. and if we take away anything from the trump era, it should be that. >> eugene robinson, it struck you, you were on the news side of "the post" for quite a bit of the bush presidency. >> yeah. >> one of the things that struck me the most yesterday was how we were talking about how shocking it was that he worked across the i' aisle, or how extraordinary it was he had a relationship with sonny montgomery, a long-time democrat from the south, and you say, you know why -- back then, that...