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He said the same thing, he believes the women. this whole thing is really disturbing because of the party tribe lism that we're seeing taking place here. this is the stench of this race, it's going to hinder the republican party moving forward if roy moore wins. i can see the campaign ads already in 2018 and 2020 associated this party with this character and people accusing this away. it's not good for the republican party, and all this for what? for a tax vote. i'm sorry but there's no vote, policy, nothing worth allowing this level of character deficit to be in the senate for a vote. the lon...

His mentor was roy cohn, who taught him to double down, never admit you're wrong, never back down. and even on something like this, that has ripped this country apart in so many areas, this is such -- the issue of race and neo-nazis and white supremacy is an issue that this should not even be at the fore, the way it is now. in 2017, he cannot let it go. and we are still continuing -- and it's like, what is it going to take? it's not. this is donald trump, that's his character deficit. he's a megalomaniac and here's example "a." >> and another self-inflicted wound. he just got good reviews -- r...

Such -- the issue of race and neo-nazis and white supremacy is an issue that this should not even be at the fore, the way it is now. in 2017, he cannot let it go. and we are still continuing -- and it's like, what is it going to take? it's not. this is donald trump, that's his character deficit. he's a megalomaniac and here's example "a." >> and we have examples of how he handled harvey, how he handled florida, he saw him handing out food, really touching and talking to people and the locals there. to come back and to open this and to go there on his own, unprompted. i again, here is a man who...

What he said happened. >> again, to jeffrey's first point, yeah, these are minor things and probably a lot of people at home who voted for him think, you know what, i don't care. all politicians lie. i guess my question is if you're lying about the stuff that doesn't matter, what happens when it's actually stuff that does matter? >> all people lie. politicians lie more than people. i get that. >> are politicians people? >> i actually like politicians. but i do think -- well, in the gospel of luke, jesus says whosoever is dishonest on little things will be dishonest with greater responsibilitie...

This is timeless wisdom, people do know this. we don't want to analyze whether it's a phone call or personal. but it's a banner. we're going to have to save the breaking news banner when the guy tells the truth. >> i would disagree that it's not a big deal. i've been talking about the fact that trump's character deficit is a problem, because when you are given this level of responsibility like the presidency, your credibility, your word, your character matters. because to what paul said, when it comes to bigger things, how do we know whether you're telling the truth or not. this is something t...