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>> that's true. but it comes from the top. they have law enforcement's back. so it is absolutely extraordinary to see that narrative and that loyalty get shift odd a dime in defense of a president who is seeking to protect himself from law enforcement inquiries. the fact that conservatives on the hill and talking heads on tv are going after and questioning not just the integrity of the in this case and law enforcement but really comparing him to the kgb is utter reversal of their longstanding belief and shows the corrupting influence on the trump administration. it is a character test and almo...

Under oath saying she did not know whether norway was predominantly white? this is a committed public servant with a decorated record who said that out loud and you see what jeff flake is seeing the assault on the truth is poisonous. >> so many ways and situations, the trump presidency has been like a character test for the collective u.s. institutions of democracy as well as for individuals. individuals have to make a decision. if you look at somebody like lindsey graham, do you play golf with the president and flatter him constantly? do you stand up and speak the truth about what happened in...

He's been proving this since the day he took office. the burden is now on the republican leadership. so far, they are failing their character test. and they are choosing their party and their own narrow interests over the interests of the country. because they all know it privately. they all know he's unfit. and we'll see whether in 2018, more of them step forward to say so publicly. >> so, ron, i'm almost out of time. but let me ask you to look at from both sides. if you're advising president trump right now, how do you tell him to handle this, and if you're advising the republican leadership...

It's the worst thing that could happen to the republican party in a long time. this is not a political test, it's a character test. and the republican party is going to stand for family values, it can't sell its soul for a vote. you had an administration spokesperson come out and say the senate seat is not worth a child. and then someone come out and say actually we need moore's vote for the tax bill. so i want to point out republicans who have stood firm with a moral backbone through this fight. senator cory gardner from my home state of colorado here, who's head of the senate committee if he...

That we've never seen before. >> lawrence, you and i write history on the side. and this will be an historic moment, as certain senate speeches have been over the last couple hundred years. and the reason is because jeff flake laid down a gauntlet. and basically said this is a character test, not just for every senator, but for every member of the republican party. and your other guest, david and evan have long since passed this character test. but every other republican must now look in the mirror and ask themselves whether they have the courage to do what jeff flake and bob corker have done....