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The grand jury was recalled and then let go, do you have any view of what this might mean? big picture for the case. >> big picture is this. a grand jury is 23 people. you need 12 votes to return a true bill, the charging document. what this means is one of two things. one, they couldn't get 12 votes to return an indictment. if that's the case, and that could be very rare, then they have a duty to inform mccabe that he's not going to be charged. if they are still gathering evidence, which is a possibility, then they will use that grand jury or get a new one and continue the investigation. thos...

Does it strike you as important that mueller was so resistant to this and that ultimately this subpoena was what it took to compel him to do this rather than him agreeing to it voluntarily? >> yeah, you know, i can't really get into his head. he's obviously an experienced person with testifying on capitol hill, so i don't think he is in any way intimidated by it, but, you know, as a prosecutor, i sometimes participated in press conferences to announce charges. you sometimes will get questions and there's a lot of challenge in making sure that you are saying only what's in the four corners of t...

Does it strike you as important that mueller was so resistant to this and that ultimately this subpoena was what it took to compel him to do this rather than him agreeing to it voluntarily? >> yeah, you know, i can't really get into his head. he's obviously an experienced person with testifying on capitol hill, so i don't think he is in any way intimidated by it, but you know, as a prosecutor i sometimes participated in press conferences to announce charges. you sometimes will get questions and there's a lot of challenge in making sure that you are saying only what's in the four corners of the...

Jillian: good morning to you back with headlines. jillian: police find the body of a 5-year-old girl. alex win pell is charged with murder. police say he gave them a map to her remains. investigators also claim they have a broken knife, pvc pipe and bloody clothes linking him to the girl. this charging document say he was licking his hands clean after his police interview. the company sued for flying a giant american flag could soon be let off the hook. the city of statesville, north carolina is considering an amendment to an ordinance to 40 boy 80-foot flag fly. camping world was told to take...

Our shoulders to pick up this important work. >> i hear you you're not ready to rush to a vote, you want to start the proceedings. i just think -- i find it very hard to believe that in reality that if you begin proceedings that you wouldn't move to eventually vote on impeachment. i feel like it's almost a distinction without a difference. >> no. so -- i think you would ultimately have a vote. what i'm saying -- what i think would be inappropriate is if we suddenly had a vote without having the hearings. you can't exactly go to the jury because you've actually weighed the evidence. to further ...