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Yeerng for somebody who honest and strong in character. we are going to be fighting because there are two deeply opposed views. >> americans, most of them are nod ideological. they want performance and the problem with president obama and lincoln had it before the first two weeks, look in the last two weeks of lincoln's life he was winning, chasing lee and we write about that lincoln was right there in virginia, he didn't stay in washington. he was right there on the gun boats watching grant chase lee, okay? so that he knew he was going to win. lincoln was going to win. obama doesn't know he i...

East coast in particular. he starred in a lot of plays in new york and then d.c. and philadelphia. and he was a racist. and he was so angry that the south had lost the war. lee had surrendered that he and his little conspiracy group feel -- they would decapitate in his words the federal government, starting with lincoln and then getting the other johnson the vice president secretary of state steward down the line that the south would rise again. that's what the big grand plan was. and he could operate. >> they were going to it try to kidnap him right? >> first they were going to kidnap him whi...

That was well known on the east coast in particular. he starred in a lot of plays in new york and then d.c. and philadelphia. and he was a racist. and he was so angry that the south had lost the war. lee had surrendered that he and his little conspiracy group feel -- they would decapitate in his words the federal government, starting with lincoln and then getting the other johnson the vice president secretary of state steward down the line that the south would rise again. that's what the big grand plan was. and he could operate. >> they were going to it try to kidnap him right? >> first they w...

I haven't read yet because i'm battling cancer and i haven't had time. >> is that an excuse? >> it's the one i'm going to try to use with you. see if it works. >> let me say one thing, before you die you want to read killing lincoln. >> okay. >> okay? >> what i found fascinating in the final two weeks of his life, he went to richmond and actually set in jefferson davis' chair. >> absolutely. >> so this must have been president davis' chair. >> that's a fascinating tid bit, wasn't it? >> lincoln was on the scene when grant was chasing lee and we write about that he wasn't in d.c. he was down on...

Was cool bloody crimes you may have in your book which i haven't read yet because i'm battling cancer and i haven't had time. >> is that an excuse? >> it's the one i'm going to try to use with you. see if it works. >> let me say one thing, before you die you want to read killing lincoln. >> okay. >> okay? >> what i found fascinating in the final two weeks of his life, he went to richmond and actually set in jefferson davis' chair. >> absolutely. >> so this must have been president davis' chair. >> that's a fascinating tid bit, wasn't it? >> lincoln was on the scene when grant was chasing lee a...