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>> two health care questions. okay, so you accept the budgetary calculations of the cbo but not the projections on how many people would be insured. what about their projections on what would happen to premiums and deductibles? is that something you accept or not? >> i mean, i think they said yesterday that the premiums would go down roughly 30% by 2020. that seems based on what we've done internally, pretty consistent. >> they also said that for people of certain incomes, they would go way up. do you only accept that they would go down? >> no, but i think in general and largely they predicted...

Rid of those tax increases. i think they'll help the economy a lot and i think they'll help the insurance market, but i just wanted to go back to this main point because i think it's the central point of disagreement. this plan republicans are talking about will reduce the cost of health care because it's going to increase the competition and increase the amount of choice that patients have in terms of buying their care. one of the biggest problems i've had with obamacare is it has all these essential benefits so you can't buy a basic health plan. you have to buy essential a cadillac plan that...

Continuing to do, day in, day out. that's the reason the president has asked members of the senate to come here today so that we -- they can talk through that, so they can figure out the best way the move the ball forward. that's the goal of the meeting this afternoon and that's the goal of the administration. in terms of the cbo score, as we said yesterday, the cbo is a budget office. and while it does very well at times predicting things on budget whether it's revenue or spending, i don't think it does a great job, and i think the administration's been clear and consistent that we don't alwa...

To pay out-of-pocket, more for deductibles or copays. what would you do or what would you advise these senators do to make this bill more palatable? >> well, part of the problem, by the way, with obamacare is that people are actually paying higher premiums and higher deductibles, so you're essentially under obamacare paying more money for less insurance so that's been a catastrophe and i have to say that i think one of the things that's misleading about this cbo score is it assumes we're going to be fine if we do nothing but we're not. we see week after week that obamacare is melting down and ...

Legislation, not to block it. and i think it's not simply an issue of being complicated. there are fundamental divisions among republicans and certainly with democrats about the effects of this legislation, and in seven days, those don't go away. so, he's going to try to find ways to buy votes or to pressure people into voting, but it will be very difficult because of that cbo report and what this bill will do. >> and is it just because it's health care, specifically, and how complex the health care system in america is that make it so difficult, whether it would be mitch mcconnell or anybody ...