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From the very beginning, including -- her own background -- she brought on rico expert but she herself is a rico expert. about a decade ago, she brought rico charges against a group of school teachers and administrators that were perpetrating an atlanta school cheating scandal. and was successful in it. so she herself has used rico charges to go after street gangs, to go after cheating teachers. and now, potentially, after the former president. so she is kind of honed this craft over the last decade, and has the expertise in office to be able to pursue these charges. >> michelle, as i mentione...

She would seek rico charges from the very beginning, including -- xi brought out our eco expert, but she herself is a rico expert. about a decade ago, she brought rico charges against a group of school teachers and administrators that were perpetrating an atlanta school cheating scandal. and was successful in it. so she herself has used rico charges to go after street gangs, to go after cheating teachers. and now, potentially, after the former president. so she is kind of honed this craft over the last decade, and has the expertise in office to be able to pursue these charges. >> michelle, as ...

People like my coauthor levitt who understands the mind of a cheater. you learn to look at data in a new way. we wrote about it in "superfreakonomics." we wrote about catching cheating teachers. no child left behind. we like that account, make them accountable. but it changed teachers' behaviors. how do you find them? in the data. look for pattern, for instance, a kid will fill in 30 questions and leave ten blank. lo and behold they fill in the last ten and got all the last ten correct. that wasn't the student, that was the teacher. >> glenn: holy cow. >> until you learn to think like a charte...

People like my coauthor levitt who understands the mind of a cheater. you learn to look at data in a new way. we wrote about it in "superfreakonomics." we wrote about catching cheating teachers. no child left behind. we like that account, make them accountable. but it changed teachers' behaviors. how do you find them? in the data. look for pattern, for instance, a kid will fill in 30 questions and leave ten blank. lo and behold they fill in the last ten and got all the last ten correct. that wasn't the student, that was the teacher. >> glenn: holy cow. >> until you learn to think like a charte...

You wouldn't have a computer looking at the test score. >> it's in favor of the liberals on this one. >> one of the ways you have more competition is the transparentsy and accountability and you have parents who are able to evaluate teachers based on the performance. this will show which teachers are good and aren't. >> i don't think it works. rod page is all of a sudden becoming education secretary and we say hold on. they were cheating. that's what happens. there is no way to come up with a system. i agree with bill. with a you need to do is have competition. >> david: what about the cheatin...