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Two weeks ago dick cheney says he thinks i'm the worst president of his lifetime. which is interesting. because i think dick cheney is the worst president much my lifetime. with those words at the white house correspondent's dinner this year, president obama acknowledged the influence of former vice president dick cheney. >> last year washington correspondent james rosen sat down with dick cheney for an interview and recounts the entire thing in in brand new book. cheney one-on-one, a candid conversation with him. >> great to make it to the f and f couch. >> we brought you over to the couch, l...

For the two of them, we have robert george, james moore, director of the pac progress texas. still with us, msnbc casey hunt and james, i'll start with you. there are two relationships, two personal alliances that define george w. bush in the public eye, one was karl rove and george w. bush. can you talk about which of those relationships was maybe more significant to his presidency and how specifically that cheney one evolved over the course of the presidency? >> rove is the political guy, the guy that came up with the strategies based upon what he thought would be effective policies. but i t...

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