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Goldman, the counsel for the first impeachment trial of donald trump. he is also former assistant u.s. attorney for the southern district of new york. he is an msnbc legal analyst. daniel goldman, i want to start with you on that list cheney point. where she says mr. steve bannon, and privileged arguments do appeared to reveal that they suggest that president trump was personally involved in the planning and execution of january six. what was your reaction to that point? it's similar to what you would referred to as an adverse inference, to someone who would take the fifth amendment in a civil...

>> i think it became pretty clear once we started having the communication back and forth, and the communications with the band in council was detailed in the report that we produced. but it became pretty clear that they were not going to be as cooperative as many of the other witnesses that have come forward. and some will receive a subpoena as well. so that's when we knew this might be a little different. >> what can you tell us about the cooperation of say, mark meadows, who had a date where he was supposed to justify, he did not show up for that date, but he is not being recommended for cr...

What does that mean, what is mark meadows doing. if benno is the only one that is resisting in the way that he. is people in the member of the community joining tonight, we will see what they can and can't tell us about that. because obviously they are trying to contain how much the information gets out at this point. >> yes, exactly. and rightfully so. they are gonna present their findings when they have findings to present. but as they are trying to enforce these subpoenas to steve bannon, again, rightfully talking about the fact that he is the only one that everybody else is engaging and ma...

In say it's good to see, you things for a variety of things, and as i was leaving, i was pushing my shopping car, and people kind of converge at one point, someone bumped into my car, and before i could say excuse me, she just yelled out and screamed out, get out of my way, and dropped the n-word. so people were shocked, and i was shocked. but, it's been present, but i think the intensity has increased, the boldness, i shake my head at what's happening in a lot of the school board meetings, we have school board and city council elections coming up this fall and so the intensity as well as the ...

District of columbia, and federal law is clear that that individual has a duty to bring forward. so that is our expectation, they will follow the law and they will bring this to the grand jury. and so that is what we hope the process they follow of being on thursday. >> let's listen to liz cheney, she made this point about how the privileged are appearing to suggest that donald trump actually was personally involved. let's listen to the way she put this. >> mr. steve bannon, and mr. trump's steve arguments appeared to reveal one thing. they suggest that president trump was personally involved ...